humanracer wrote:It was on UK TV today. I found it fascinating that the court in Arras thought nothing of the fact that Champmathieu, the man who they all thought was Jean Valjean, had a Scottish accent!
CC21106 wrote:Javert tells Cosette that she's a bastard and her mother was a ... really! Not even Thenardier, who knew it, gave that part away in the book.
deHavilland wrote:Yeah, and it sort of shoves this weird Valjean/Fantine relationship down the viewers' throats, too.
23623 wrote:so how exactly did their...um...relationship go?
deHavilland wrote:23623 wrote:so how exactly did their...um...relationship go?
Well, she dies, so...
But the ending and Valjean hitting Cosette just make it too bizarre for me to really take seriously.
23623 wrote:But cutting Éponine, seriously?!
23623 wrote:What is "Marjolras hybrid" btw?
CC21106 wrote:ALSO the boys weren't killed there, but surrendered and were shot en masse like Jean Prouvaire--like in that one weird German production.
Olivia_y wrote:23623 wrote:But cutting Éponine, seriously?!
The 1978 movie also didn't have Éponine, and I didn't miss her, the JVJ story moves along fine without her. (Then again the whole younger generation may as well have been props, given how much their roles were reduced. Valjean may as well have been going to the barricade to fetch a jar of jam.)
I've seen mixed reviews for this movie. Some people seem to really like Liam Neeson and Geoffrey Rush, but squeezing in a Valjean/Fantine dynamic is so wrong. It's like they can't fathom why anyone would be so kind/generous if not for a romantic connection. (And that final scene...no words...)
CC21106 wrote:23623 wrote:What is "Marjolras hybrid" btw?
No Enjolras, but Marius haranguing the masses in the street and being a (the?) leader at the barricade...I'm not sure, kind of have blocked it out. The barricade scenes were mostly cannonry, and ALSO the boys weren't killed there, but surrendered and were shot en masse like Jean Prouvaire--like in that one weird German production.
Acaila wrote:Oh man yeah, "Enjolras" surrendering was the point that movie moved beyond all hope of redemption. Though Valjean watching Javert do his swan dive and then ending the film there would have done likewise.
By the way, what's this obsession some directors seem to have with Javert handcuffing himself before dropping (or slowly walking) into the river? This is definitely not the only film that has him doing that; and even some non-replica productions of the musical have tried it.
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