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Awards Ceremonies 2013

Postby YoungStudentMarius » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:38 am

So...Les Mis. There's been quite a lot of awards talk for Hooper's version this year. Since this is probably the only opportunity we have for a thread like this, and it might be fun to speculate/celebrate wins or rant about losses...here's to any discussion about the musical movie Les Misérables and the complicated crazy maze that calls itself awards! :mrgreen:

So, I was originally guessing a few of the big English-language awards ceremonies that Les Mis would have a chance at would be the Academy Awards, the BAFTA awards, the Golden Globes, the Screen Actor's Guild Awards, and the European Film Awards. As of now, it's already fared pretty well at the Globes, been well nominated for the SAG, BAFTA, and Academy Awards, and actually hasn't received a single nomination for the Eurpoean Film Awards, so who knows? :wink: But it's fun to speculate, and while I don't think it will sweep, it has a good chance of holding it's own in the others, as much of a fight as that might be.

The Golden Globes took place on the 13th of January, and Les Mis won Best Motion Picture (Musical or Comedy), Best Actor in a Musical or Comedy (Hugh Jackman), and Best Supporting Actress in a Musical or Comedy (Anne Hathaway). It was also nominated for Best Original Song, but lost to Adele for Skyfall. It had an advantage being put with all the comedies, perhaps an unfair one. People don't think of musicals nowadays as being depressing emotional volcanoes, but hey, maybe this will bring back a bit of their darker/deeper sides. :wink:

From what I can tell, the Academy Awards (Oscars) air on Sunday, February 24, 2013 (USA Eastern Standard Time). Nominations voting began Monday, December 17, and closed Thursday, January 3, with the nominations announced on Thursday, January 10; this was a fair amount of time, in my opinion, for the voters to see Les Mis, and it scored eight nominations-- a good count, I suppose, but not in the face of Life of Pi, Lincoln, SIlver Linings Playbook, etc, who snagged about eleven. (Les Mis has Costume Design, Makeup and Hairstyling, Original Song, Production Design, Sound Mixing, Best Picture, Best Actor [Jackman], and Best Supporting Actress [Hathaway]). Tom Hooper was completely neglected all over for any Best Director nominations, and Les Mis didn't even get a cinematography nomination or a Best Adapted Screenplay nomination, two things which vastly surprise me, considering that the cinematography was different and bold, being done in close-ups, and doing something different is not only what the Academy likes to nominate >coughTheArtistcough<, but what, in this case, should be nominated as well. Also, for the latter, I feel as if Les Mis' screenplay pretty much sums up and is the essence of what an adapted screenplay embodies. I'm therefore very surprised that it didn't get even a nomination, which looks more like bias at this point, because really, if you look at it, it is the very heart of an adapted screenplay, the purpose, the product, the research, everything. Somehow, because of these omissions, I don't think that it will win Best Picture, because it usually seems as if the movies that do either sweep or have the potential to sweep the entire ceremonies, and Les Mis wasn't given enough room to play.
Les Mis would qualify for nearly all of the categories, however slim the chance it may have had for many, except Best Original Screenplay, Best Original Score, Foreign Language Film, Documentary, Animated, etc. But all the big ones. So, theoretically, it was possible for Les Mis to be nominated for around sixteen awards, and though I think it's good and just that that didn't happen, half is a fair amount. Not bad. Not great. Just kind of...eh, compared to some others.

The BAFTA (British Academy of Film and Television Awards) nominations were announced on Wednesday, 9 January. Voting closes the 6th of February, and the awards themselves take place Sunday, 10 January. Les Mis has nine nominations: Make-up and Hair, Cinematography, Costume Design, Outstanding British Film, Film, Production Design, Sound, Leading Actor (Jackman), and Supporting Actress (Hathaway). It still got snubbed for Adapted Screenplay (maybe there's something in the rules I've forgotten?) and Director, here, but it did at least get it's Cinematography nomination. These should be interesting to watch.

The SAG (Screen Actor's Guild) Awards nominations voting took place in early December (with screenings + Q&A for the committee Thanksgiving weekend and since in LA and New York-- the earliest anyone got it, really), and the nominations were announced on Wednesday, December 12th. Voting closes on Friday, the 25th of January-- very soon, and the awards themselves take place Sunday, the 27th of January. Hugh is nominated for Best Actor, and Anne for Best Supporting Actress, as well as Best Ensemble Cast and, interestingly enough, Best Stunt Ensemble (along with Dark Knight Rises, Skyfall, Amazing Spiderman, and The Bourne Legacy), a fact to which I point who claims that "musicals are lame and boring, and they dance!" :mrgreen:

Anne has been nominated for an Oscar once before (for Rachael Getting Married), but lost. It's also her third SAG nomination, her first BAFTA nomination, and her first Globe win. This is Hugh's first Oscar nomination, his first BAFTA nomination, his first SAG nomination, and his first Globe win (though he was nominated once before, for Kate and Leopold). Hooper probably missed out because his win from The King's Speech is still so fresh, and there was a lot of controversy at the time over whether it or The Social Network deserved to win, a fact some are still bitter over. Also, Les Mis was done with clear stylistic choices, some of which either didn't resonate with or grated upon a large number of people.

So, do you have any ideas? Other ceremonies to add? Guesses at who will win, or why? Whether it wins or loses, it's quite a fun game, and I'm sort of proud it made it this far. :mrgreen: Do you hear the people sing...
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Re: Awards Ceremonies 2013

Postby Majestic_Picnob » Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:04 am

I'm guessing Lincoln or Django will take Best Picture due to being Relevant™; Lincoln was great, but Les Mis was better, though I'll confess I haven't seen Django because I'm told it's a gorefest and I very rarely find those entertaining. And I'd argue Les Mis is Relevant™ too, just in a less obvious way.

Hathaway, however, is a shoo-in. Interesting she was only nominated for Supporting, as Fantine is usually considered the female lead of the stage show.
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Re: Awards Ceremonies 2013

Postby Acaila » Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:04 am

I'm more confident about the BAFTAs than I am about the Oscars. They tend to be a bit more international in their thinking than the Oscars, and Lincoln is obviously such an *American* choice, so I feel like it could go LM's way. I did note it was up for both Best Picture and Best British Film - I'm just hoping that doesn't split its votes, because I don't think that's ever given to the same film (I'm expecting Skyfall to get that).

Anne is by far the favourite for the Supporting Actress awards. The only time people are saying any different is that Sally Field could get it if it is a sweep for Lincoln (and because who doesn't love Sally Field).

Honestly feel that, though I haven't seen Lincoln, giving a best actor award to anyone other than Jackman is sheer lunacy. I mean, the journey Valjean goes through is insane, never mind the physical transformations! And not only does Jackman, someone best known for comic book adaptations lest we forget, manage to raise his game to pull it off, he does it while singing every word.

Overall though, I have to keep reminding myself that only a couple of films that are in my top 10-20 have ever won Oscars, so it's not a real judgement of value. And that I can see from the likes of Twitter that people are loving this movie big style in a way that doesn't seem to happen with films any more. So it doesn't need a sparkly statue to prove that it's a damn good film. But I'd still love it to get a few :D
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Re: Awards Ceremonies 2013

Postby Enjolvert » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:15 pm

It'll be interesting to see how best picture category does. They might be hesitant to give it to Les Mis since Hooper won best film so recently, but it's a contender. It seems in that category this year there's a lot of good contenders without a standout winner. Django and Lincoln are supposed to be good but far from the directors best, although in the latters case a major actor playing a historical figure is bound to take lots of awards. Argo and Life of Pi are in the running too so it's a close one.

Hathaway will probably get best supporting actress. We know how much praise she's gotten so it would surprise me if she didn't win.

Jackman's in with a shout but it seems like Day Lewis will take it for Lincoln. A major actor playing a historical American figure will be a hit with the Oscars, although he's won one before while Jackman hasn't. Affleck might be in with a shout for Argo too if he's up for the award.
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Re: Awards Ceremonies 2013

Postby Acaila » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:13 am

Day Lewis has won it twice actually, for My Left Foot (which is much better by the looks of Lincoln) and There Will Be Blood. I wonder if Hugh's Oscar presenting stints have endeared him to the voters? I'd hope so.
I think you've got a good point about both Django and Lincoln not being the director's best work. But equally, Hopper just won two years ago, so :|
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Re: Awards Ceremonies 2013

Postby Marie32 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:52 am

For best picture I'd say that it was in with a shot. The other major contenders in my opinion are Argo and, as noted, Lincoln. Actually, though I don't like to predict the academy on basis of their habits even though they can be so very baitable (the artist), I don't think Django is in with much of a chance. Quentin Tarintino films, though brilliant, aren't often nominated for best picture, more likely screenplay or director. And also, as you've all noted, it's not his best work.
Licoln perhaps more so. It was hyped at the Globes with Clinton's introduction. It's current, patriotic and seems to fit the typical academy bill. Argo, on the other hand, if it wins, will win for pure quality.
I was bewildered when I saw Les Mis wasn't nominated for best director or adapted screenplay. In fact, the latter was a win that I was counting on. Considering the risks Hooper took in regards to cinematography as well, it's a bit of a snub.
It'll be an awards filled with brilliant performers. Unlike last year, many of these films are the products of their actors. Hugh is in with a good shot, though Day-Lewis and Affleck could also do it. In my opinion, he should win, without any bias. I'm quite certain that Anne's had her name on best supporting since the first previews of the movie came out in September. And, sorry any Suddenly fans, I'm afraid Adele will probably win that one (and, in my humble opinion, deserves it too).
I agree that they'll probably win more at the BAFTA's (maybe helped by Hooper's englishness and the location of filming and a little thing I like to call the west-end connection).
On another note, are the SAGs on TV or filmed, because Sam and Aaron will be there, unlike the Golden Globes?

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Re: Awards Ceremonies 2013

Postby Acaila » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:29 pm

I hope they are, I'll want to watch! (though to be fair, it's also the Royal Rumble on Sunday and I am a prowrestling nerd, so multitasking!).
A friend of mine is very into his film stuff, and he says the SAG awards are the important ones to watch because they have the biggest crossover with Oscar voters. Keep your fingers crossed!
I wouldn't even mind Argo so much, because it looked like a decent movie, but Lincoln just seems such cynical awards bait to me that I am actively rooting against it. Just did some odds checking though and it is miles ahead for the Oscars. Les Mis not far off it for the BAFTA at least.
Yeah, Adele is going to take it for Skyfall and I have no problem with that really. Suddenly was inoffensive enough, but compared to the rest of the show didn't really stand out.
Adapted screenplay seems weird! I actually wondered if it somehow wasn't eligible for it?

I take it people have heard that the cast of Les Mis are apparently going to be performing at the Oscars? Desperately hoping that includes the minor roles (Les Amis).
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Re: Awards Ceremonies 2013

Postby Marie32 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:42 pm

There really isn't any criteria. It must be adapted, but can be from any form whether that be another film, a book, a play, a musical. It is very strange in my opinion especially considering the other nominations. My only thought on this was that it was perhaps (to the uneducated, non-fans of the musical who don't notice the little, or sometimes even glaring, details and changes and *diesinside* cuts like we do) too similar to the musical? As in the script was hardly changed? *which it was, obviously, but if you don't know the musical, who knows? Or there's the other thing - some of the 6000 members of the academy are still pissed off about the kings speech beating the social network 2 YEARS AGO, and so every future tom hooper movie is damned in the eyes of a large sections of the academy. That doesn't seem very likely either, though.

Your friend is correct. The SAGs certainly have more crossover than the golden globes. But the selection process for who votes is more random than the oscars. And, with the SAGs its only actors, whereas the Oscars can be anyone in the biz deemed worthy. Only a third of the voters as well (although at the oscars each category has different people who specialise in it to vote for most categories except best picture which everybody votes for).

What I want really bad (obviously in addition to best picture) is the ensemble win at the SAGs because that's a bit of a win for theatre with Sam, Aaron and Colm Wilkinson included for that award!

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Postby Acaila » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:09 pm

Yeah, I think that is very much well deserved!
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Re: Awards Ceremonies 2013

Postby ancslove » Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:51 pm

The Golden Globes aren't quite a good predictor this year, simply because Les Mis fell into the Musical/Comedy category, and so wasn't up against Lincoln, Argo, or Zero Dark Thirty in anything but Best Supporting Actress.

I think the Best Picture Oscar will go to Lincoln, especially since Les Mis didn't get a Best Director nod. And honestly, I'm not surprised that LM isn't up for Director or Cinematography. The direction and cinematography were hugely polarizing and arguably a bad decision. (I'm biased in that last though, because I didn't like all the closeups or camera angles. I thought a lot of scenes suffered from those decisions, especially the ABC Cafe scenes and the barricade, and that the solo closeups eventually got repetitive.)

Best Supporting Actress should go to Anne Hathaway, but I've also read quite a bit of criticism and outright hatred of Anne after the GGs, both as an actress and as a person. I really hope that doesn't affect the voting, but it makes me wonder a bit if Anne peaked too soon, and people are now looking at her nearest competition. I definitely think that Les Misérables as a movie peaked too soon, the backlash (some deserved and some ridiculous) started almost immediately after the movie opened.

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Re: Awards Ceremonies 2013

Postby YoungStudentMarius » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:07 am

As to the SAG awards-- The voting closed a few hours ago, and yes, they're on in around 47 hours, 56 minutes, but who's counting? :wink:
Marie32 wrote:The SAGs certainly have more crossover than the golden globes. But the selection process for who votes is more random than the oscars.

Can't all SAG members vote, just like all Academy members? I think it's only the nomination committee that is selected randomly for SAG.

As to screeners, etc, (please correct me if I'm wrong, anyone):
Les Mis was sent out as a screener for the Academy Awards, I think on Blu-ray, too. There was lots of time for members to see it, and still is time, but from what I can tell, some of the movies for the nominating committees are sent out in October, even, so I suppose it had a bit of a rush to get nominated, but now that it's in, there should be no trouble. However, Les Mis was not a screener provided for the BAFTAs, which I think is very surprising, and also could really hurt its chances, though it is available as a screening in a theatre if you sign up.
I will say, Les Mis played its cards very, very well for the Screen Actor's Guild Awards. There were screenings open to the nomination committee literally two days after the film was finished (Thanksgiving weekend), and many more available (and also booked completely within maybe two-three hours of being scheduled) later. A screener was also provided (screeners were originally sent out of Les Mis, Argo, and SIlver Linings Playbook, much, much less than were sent out for the BAFTAs and Oscars), and came with a full-color gorgeous booklet with pictures and quotes all over it, a really smart move, as opposed to all the others, which I think sent simply the disc. So, Les Mis really had its thing together for the SAG awards, and might just snag a few honors because of that. On the other side of things, Lincoln did not do as well. Originally, it wasn't to be one of the screeners provided, but then at the very last second, they changed it, and sent it with absolutely no time to see it (I think many arrived yesterday; voting was today; I have no idea how on earth all the members would have been able to watch it with all the others they had to see, especially when the other screeners arrived a week - two weeks earlier). I don't know how all the members will vote, but I'm very excited to watch the awards in a couple days, and while I don't think Les Mis will beat Lincoln in everything, it certainly got its act together a whole lot more for the SAG awards, though I'm still surprised that it wasn't a screener for the BAFTAs, while I believe Lincoln was. Anyway, best of luck to it. :wink: If I had to guess, I'd say Anne will get Best Supporting Actress, Daniel-Day Lewis will win over Hugh, and Silver Linings Playbook or Argo will win for Best Ensemble cast, though Les Mis does actually have a chance. And as to the last category, I don't think any of us are exactly holding our breath over the Best Stunt Ensemble award. :wink:
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Re: Awards Ceremonies 2013

Postby Acaila » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:18 am

Did Lincoln do screeners for the BAFTAs? Cos that's not even out here yet I don't think (which seems a bit of a joke).
The BAFTA screenings seemed pretty popular, I know a couple of people who saw it that way (and man, did I hate them for seeing it first!).
All the craft featurettes they were putting out on youtube seem very awards focused, do you reckon voters will actually see them/be at all swayed by them?
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Re: Awards Ceremonies 2013

Postby YoungStudentMarius » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:16 pm

I'm pretty sure it did...I could be wrong, but I really thought so. A lot of this info is out there, but it takes a lot of searching in strange places to find. :wink: Lincoln came out yesterday, so it is available now, or, at least, in the UK. Places like Japan won't get it until the end of April, and the US had it back in November. :roll:
Yes, I think the BAFTA screenings are really popular. I found the list of the Universal screeners sent out, and then on the sidebar it had an address to email to sign up for the screenings. SAG did a similar thing, I think, you could sign up to be on a mailing list that would send you notifications of empty seats in screenings, and I bet both garnered lots of votes through those offers. SAG offered Q&As afterwards for many of them, as well, and the BAFTAs, I believe, had some special guests.
Ah, yes, the craft featurettes...I think they will probably help a little. I know I went around mercilessly showing them to people, and I think that it really would influence those such as the small percentage picked to vote on sound, etc, for the Academy awards. I don't remember hearing about any of the other movies doing that. I think, also, the original "live singing featurette" got a lot of people interested, though the craft featurettes were all catered to a specific category of nominations....Yes, I think they'll probably help a little, but ultimately, it's whether they actually see the film. I also reckon a lot of voters never saw the craft featurettes, unfortunately.
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Re: Awards Ceremonies 2013

Postby Majestic_Picnob » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:18 am

I sure hope that this Movie 43 thing doesn't hurt Jackman's chances...
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Re: Awards Ceremonies 2013

Postby YoungStudentMarius » Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:54 am

SAGs over and done. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/27/sag-awards-winners-2013_n_2563499.html Anne Hathaway took home an award, justly deserved, while Hugh was beat out by Daniel Day Lewis, and Les Mis was beaten by Argo, a sort-of-surprise contender, though after the Globes, you could kind of anticipate it a bit. Oh, and Skyfall won Best Stunt Ensemble. Just for the record. :wink:
Well, at least Hathaway got the award; I think it'll carry over to Oscar, too, now that it's sort of been "cemented-in" with the SAG Awards and Globes. There's been a variety, though; one movie isn't sweeping necessarily, and yet it was still a surprisingly predictable race. I think that we pretty much have confirmation now that Les Mis won't sweep the Oscars, but it'll at least get some recognition, and I don't think Lincoln's exactly in for that clean sweep they planned, either. :wink: I've seen Lincoln, now, and I must say that I think between the two of them, Jackman and Lewis, Hugh deserved it, at least in my book. Though this race might be more refreshing than others in that it hasn't gotten bogged down with all of one movie.
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