Saint Jolras wrote:I ran the post via my gf to make sure I wasn't sounding overly aggressive and when she couldn't find anything wrong with it, I figured it was fine. Wrong on both counts, apparently.
I so love hearing you talk about this stuff. Not fangirlish squeeing, but when you go into intelligent tangents, it's lovely.
To use another similarity that I think we'd both understand, there's Arthas as Enjolras, or vice versa. There are the looks, of course, but that's hardly worth mentioning. Arthas started off as wanting to do best for his people. He was in a position to bring prosperity to them, and when the shit really started hitting the fan, he took swift decisive action. Granted, his action was frowned upon, but there were few choices at the time and not enough time to go through them all one by one.
And now I'm all inclined to be Tyrion Fordring as Javert, y/n?
Enjolras: Luke (the bold leader of the alliance...)
I realize that not all of it works perfectly, however we are combining two fandoms here and we need a little lenience
"The battle at the barricade is similar to Helm´s Deep, because both are battles where the "good" side is sorrounded and outnumbered."
The same could be said about any book that features a war or battle. The ones that are doing the uprising are typically the ones in the minority. If they weren't the minority, they'd be doing the ruling.
"Nazguls are multiplied sosias of Javert, as they are hunters, whereas the Ring can be a metaphor of the Guilt, both the internal of Valjean as the guilt before the justice Javert want to fullfill."
I don't really understand this one. The Nazguls have little choice but to hunt the ring. Javert made his choice. Javert lives by his own code
There are similarities and then there are things that happen in just about every fantasy or fictional piece of work
You could say that LotR was about a small group of people banding together to defeat the Big Bad. This doesn't hold up to Les Mis since the small group of people in Les Mis don't succeed, but there isn't a true Big Bad in the book. There are ideals that they want to overcome, there's a society that they want to overthrow, there are injustices to correct. It's more encompassing than having a final game end boss.
I don't mean to rag on just the LotR things, but similarities in appearances? Really? I'm sure there are thousands of pretty blonds sprinkled all throughout literature. I'm sure there are many big guys who wear chinwarmers and have the heart of a teddybear. I'm sure there are lots of of antiheroes who look severe. This doesn't mean they have anything in common with their Les Mis lookalikes.
I wouldn't liken Javert to the Nazgul. If you're using the metaphor of the Ring being guilt or being Valjean in that case, Gollum fits so much better. He had the ring, then he lost it. Then he continuously gets close to it through the books and in the end, it's his undoing. The Nazgul are slaves to the ring. As is Gollum, I suppose, but the joy that Gollum gets out of the ring is bittersweet, like Javert's final victory over Valjean. Oh and the whole ... falling to one's death is a nice parallel in my opinion.
I don't know if Lord of the Rings is the best comparison for Les Mis at all because you have Sauron, who is the big bad, and you have his armies. The hobbits don't care, so long as they're left alone. Same with the dwarves. The men fight, the elves join. It's a rather black and white battle between good vs evil which Les Mis decidedly isn't.
No one metaphor is going to fit because Les Mis, while allegorical, is extremely intricate and very unique
How do you feel about Gollum relating to Thenardier? I liked the bit where he served as the gatekeeper in both. If you wanted to go into more depth, I suppose you could argue that Thenardier opening up the gate for Valjean at the end in the sewers was symbolic in a way. Allowing Valjean his freedom somewhat, enough to get to the main goal and do what he feels he must do. In which Gollum (keep wanting to call him the gollum) helped lead Frodo to..
That volcano. Mordor? I'm faltering here.
But then I think something gets a little lost since Thenardier started out the book 'bad' while Gollum teetered between good and bad here and there. There was a personal struggle within him that Thenardier lacked. Thenardier, it seemed, was far more resolute.
I'm just pointing this out since the gatekeeper bit was a nice touch.
Gollum as Thenardier, no. I can't see it because Gollum is rather single minded. Thenardier is too dangerous, too cunning. He thinks too much, almost to the point of ruin. He's extremely greedy but he's got a sharp mind. Gollum is kind of all consumed with the ring. I can't really find a good likeness for Thenardier in LotR. . . I would have to think about it.
Gollum did lead Frodo through Mordor to Mount Doom (that's what you're looking for) in kind of the way Thenardier opened the sewers for Valjean, but keep in mind that Gollum's idea was to get the ring back for himself pretty much the whole time. Thenardier was happy with what he got off Marius's body and left it at that. He also didn't know Javert would be waiting for Valjean (correct me if I'm wrong there). So no, I really don't like Gollum for Thenardier at all.
Enjolras-the-jaw wrote:Enjolras: Since I'm only finished Catching Fire, I can't yet say who is Enjolras. After reading the first 6 chapters of Mockingbird, Katniss seems a bit like an unwilling Enjolras.
Enjolras-the-jaw wrote:Haymitch: Grantaire (Does this require an explanation?!)
Enjolras-the-jaw wrote:Finnick: Courfeyrac, but crueler and more violent. He also has a true love (which is my favorite pairing in the series: LONG LIVE Annie/Finnick!)
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