1.6 Javert 23/10/10-24/10/10

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1.6 Javert 23/10/10-24/10/10

Postby Charlette-Ollie » Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:27 am

Volume 1: Fantine, book 6: Javert

Chapters:
1. Commencement de repos/The beginning of rest
2. Comment Jean peut devenir Champ/How Jean can turn into Champ

Two very important chapters with relation to the plot and characterisation. Fantine remains ill while 'Monsieur Madeleine' writes to the Thenardiers for Cosette, but they do not send her. Javert reveals to the mayor that he had denounced him as an ex-convict but that a man named Champmathieu has been found who appears to be Jean Valjean

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Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:48 pm

I really think that the conversation between M. Madeleine and Javert is pretty much one of the best characterizing moments for the latter. We get to see Javert as a man with a set of principles, among them (or even foremost) being honor. Quite a far cry from the overzealous law-enforcer people make him out to be.
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Postby Hannah » Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:06 pm

Yeah, I agree. I think that conversation is really what lets you see that Javert is a victim of society's circumstances as much as everyone else in the novel is - he's not the villain. He's unfair to himself as much as he is unfair to others, and it's pretty much just as sad.

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Postby Ulkis » Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:59 pm

Hmm, I never thought of it that way Hannah, that he was unfair to himself but you're right. I do admire that he really that he was that harsh on himself. Not admiring his harshness but it does take strength to treat yourself the same way you would treat others.

My other favorite part is when Valjean laughs. Not only is he laughing, but he's laughing at someone. He's essentially telling Javert he (Valjean) thinks Javert's ridiculous when he laughed at him like that, which Valjean usually doesn't do.

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Postby Cerberusia » Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:26 pm

Ooh, I love this bit! It's one of my favourite bits in the whole book, actually, because of the insight it gives us into the character of Javert. I read the scrapped 'extended' version of this scene on Chanvrerie and sat there beaming all the while in pleasure.

I agree entirely with what's said above: Javert is harsh on others, but he's equally harsh on himself - his whole speech about how 'Pere Madeleine' should dismiss him, dishonour him because he deserves it, because it is the right thing to do...! It's so perfectly Javert, and it brings out the powerplay fangirl in me every time. (Plus, although it probably wasn't specifically written with D/s in mind, to someone with a D/s-inclined mind like myself, it's actually pretty hot. Just saying).

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Re: 1.6 Javert 23/10/10-24/10/10

Postby MmeBahorel » Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:47 pm

Notes for 1.6

Chapitre I
1 (the ancient contempt of vestals for les ambubaïes/less fortunate women) : Forme francisée du latain ambubaiae : joueuses de flûte, courtisanes, citées par Horace (Satires, I, 2, 1) : équivalent romain des geishas japonaises.
French form of Latin ambubaiae: flute players, courtesans, cited by Horace (Satires, I, 2, 1): Roman equivalent of Japanese geishas. (and boy does that change the implications, Fahnestock/MacAfee! "Less fortunate women"? Really?)

2 (Laënnec): Son nom fur et reste le symbole des progrès accomplis dans le diagnostic - par auscultation au stéthoscope - et le soin de la tuberculose, fléau du prolétariat urbain au XIXe siècle et jusqu'à la moitié du nôtre.
His name was and remains the symbol of progress accomplished in diagnostics - by auscultation by stethoscope - and the care of tuberculosis, scourge of the urban proletariat in the 19th century and through the middle of ours. (Widespread vaccination occurred in France in the late 1950s - it's why Baz Luhrmann was able to set his La Bohème in 1957, the last year Mimi could conceivably die of the disease.)
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Postby Ulkis » Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:08 am

No, I have nothing more relevant to contribute to this thread than fangirling, why do you ask?


Fangirling is extremely important element of this whole enterprise. Welcome to the board!

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Postby collectingbees » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:58 am

I love that snuff is the one thing that let's us know Javert is human.

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Postby MSam » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:50 am

I just thought I'd mention that although I was following this schedule...I went ahead and finished the book. Forgive me! :P
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Postby Ulkis » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:51 pm

That's okay. But if you like any particular part especially come back and tell us! :)

I love that snuff is the one thing that let's us know Javert is human.


As crazy as the Liam Neeson film is, I think that's the only movie where he has snuff.

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Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:29 pm

July 27, 2013

The Beginning of Repose

http://www.online-literature.com/victor_hugo/les_miserables/53/

Valjean intervenes on behalf of Fantine and Cosette.
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Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:49 am

July 28, 2013

How Jean May Become Champ

http://www.online-literature.com/victor_hugo/les_miserables/54/

How garbling words can land a man in jail, and what a mayor and an inspector must do about it.
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Postby meow139 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:28 am

Oh god... the scary thing is how easily one can go from basically no evidence that a man did anything wrong in the first place to 'he's an escaped convict OMG'. I mean, Jean Valjean- Jean Mathieu- Chan Mathieu- Champmathieu. Oh god, it's so scarily plausible too... to think that everyone's just ready to convict you for being some random guy, and you haven't the slightest idea what's going on- when you put yourself in Ol' Champy's position, it's really terrifying. :shock:
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Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:30 am

Exactly. And men have been convicted for far less.
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Postby Gervais » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:19 pm

It's scary, yes, but also kind of interesting because that's similar to how words evolve over time, at least from looking at the etymology portion of dictionary entries. Except condensed into changing within a few years, instead of over a few centuries, and as the name of a man, instead of the name of an object. Though maybe he could be seen as basically being an object, that the court has to get rid of someone in order to settle this, and they really don't care about the specifics as long as someone is convicted (Javert, on the other hand, does want them to get the correct man).
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