1.1 Un Juste/An Upright Man, 1/9/10-14/09/10

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Re: 1.1 Un Juste/An Upright Man, 1/9/10-14/09/10

Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:27 pm

Chapter for June 7, 2013

M. Myriel Becomes M. Welcome

http://www.online-literature.com/victor_hugo/les_miserables/2/

And on to the hospital chapter. Interesting how the miasma theory still holds here.
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Postby Gervais » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:05 pm

Alright, I have a question, and the board search isn't turning up an answer.

One of the things the Bishop includes in his expenses is "Charitable maternity societies." Search isnt pulling much up, and the notes in the back of mine don't say anything about it, either. Are these societies sort of like charity homes, where they provide money or food and/or a place to stay, or are they something different?

And the Bishop's palace sounds like a gorgeous building. Even without miasmas being "real," exactly, having more space and open air would be a great help, right?
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Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:09 pm

I understand that they are charity homes, or benefit groups. A bit like the arrangement that M. Madeleine was supposed to have for the workers in his factory.

Yes, that sort of space would help a little.
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Postby Gervais » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:14 pm

Oh, okay. Thanks. No, I don't have a Fantine AU plot bunny, why do you ask? :oops: :twisted:
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Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:18 pm

No AU plot bunnies....hehe. Why isn't there more Bishop fanfiction??

Anyway three thousand francs....what would that be equivalent to today?
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Postby Gervais » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:31 pm

Because the musical skims over him, maybe?

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1966&p=74217&hilit=Conversion#p74217
http://www.chanvrerie.net/history/measure.html

Bishop Myriel's annual stipend = 15,000 francs = 450,000 F
(1,500 francs for his subsistence with the two old women = 45,000 F)

(1992 franc, not euro. Can't find anything with modern euro, sorry.) About 90,000 F? Although someone's probably about to come along and point out where I left something else, so.
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Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:34 pm

Not bad in terms of funds, I guess. But that would still be modest for bourgeoisie standards (if Marius' later conversation with Cosette is an indicator)
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Postby Gervais » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:44 pm

Ooh! Ooh! Assuming that this is the same franc from 1992 (or is pretty close), that's about 13,720.5 modern euros. Though, it may be a but off if it's not, and it's probably not because of inflation. But still, it's an idea, and not too bad.
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Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:53 am

Hello? Anyone else besides me and Gervais participating? :) Posting is a little slow....

Chapter for June 8, 2013: A Hard Bishopric for a Good Bishop

http://www.online-literature.com/victor_hugo/les_miserables/3/

In which M. Myriel discourses or sermonizes on social issues.
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Postby Mademoiselle Mabeuf » Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:08 am

I'm here! I'm here! Just had stuff to do.
That's good to know about the maternity things...I was wondering about that as I read Chapter 2 a couple of minutes ago.
Bishop fanfiction. Hm. True, actually...you would think more people would care about him, since he's basically responsible for the entire plot... I read one once which actually had Mme Magloire as the main character. Now there's one you don't see every day.
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Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:11 am

Mademoiselle Mabeuf wrote:I'm here! I'm here! Just had stuff to do.
That's good to know about the maternity things...I was wondering about that as I read Chapter 2 a couple of minutes ago.
Bishop fanfiction. Hm. True, actually...you would think more people would care about him, since he's basically responsible for the entire plot... I read one once which actually had Mme Magloire as the main character. Now there's one you don't see every day.


Linkage please? :D

Just have to say: my friends swear that the Bishop somehow got translated into the 21st century as the present day Pope Francis. :lol:
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Postby Mademoiselle Mabeuf » Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:32 am

Here y'are, m'dear. [url]fanfiction.net/s/9176416/1/The-Heroism-of-Madame-Magloire[/url]
I've heard someone say that too. :D
Question: Why do you think Hugo gave such a short physical description of the Bishop? He gives long descriptions of all the other characters, but doesn't devote more than a few sentences to Myriel. Is it to emphasize how magnificent his soul was, or what?
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Postby Mademoiselle Mabeuf » Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:34 am

Okay, the link is messed up. I don't know how to do it, I guess. :oops: Just copy and paste, I suppose.
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Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:58 am

Mademoiselle Mabeuf wrote:Here y'are, m'dear. [url]fanfiction.net/s/9176416/1/The-Heroism-of-Madame-Magloire[/url]
I've heard someone say that too. :D
Question: Why do you think Hugo gave such a short physical description of the Bishop? He gives long descriptions of all the other characters, but doesn't devote more than a few sentences to Myriel. Is it to emphasize how magnificent his soul was, or what?



Ahhh, I've read that one. Good stuff.

Probably because:

a. the man's relatives were still around
b. what you said
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Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:00 am

June 9, 2013

Works Corresponding to Words

http://www.online-literature.com/victor_hugo/les_miserables/4/

In which M. Myriel begins to do the extraordinary.
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