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Postby SylvieProuvaire1832 » Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:08 am

Heh, my Enjolras figment is taller than my Javert figment.
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Postby Marianne » Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:33 am

Guys, for srs? There's already a thread on how you picture the characters. Drag it up from the depths if you want to talk about how tall they are.

What I want to know is why there are editions of the book where Joly doesn't get killed in the final barricade chapter. Was it just a typo, or did Hugo have something else planned?
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Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:04 am

:o How now? And which makes me wonder, why Joly of all the amis as well.
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Postby Savoire Faire » Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:14 am

Marianne wrote:40 sous = 2 francs, or about $15. The conversion is a little screwy though, because physical commodities (food, clothing, etc) were much more expensive compared to, say, rent. So a franc could be worth anywhere between five and thirty present-day dollars.

For comparison: by law, a loaf of bread cost 1 sou; a skilled laborer like Feuilly made 3 francs (60 sous) a day; Marius, while poor, made about 700 francs a year, of which 30 went to his rent.


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Postby Frédéric Dumont » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:06 pm

There are editions where he survives? That must be an error, mustn't it?
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Postby SylvieProuvaire1832 » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:11 pm

No error. How else was he to write his Joly x Azelma sequel? :lol:

That is weird though...
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Postby Frédéric Dumont » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:51 pm

... That's an odd pairing, somehow. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Marianne » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:58 pm

There are editions (and translations) of the chapter The Heroes that read thus:

Bossuet was killed; Feuilly was killed; Courfeyrac was killed; Combeferre, transfixed by three blows from a bayonet in the breast at the moment when he was lifting up a wounded soldier, had only time to cast a glance to heaven when he expired.
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Postby SylvieProuvaire1832 » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:42 pm

Maybe it was a mistake and, distracted by the repitition, they forgot Joly? I doubt it, but...weird...
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Postby MllePaula » Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:13 am

SylvieProuvaire1832 wrote:No error. How else was he to write his Joly x Azelma sequel? :lol:

That is weird though...


It's a good thing that I don't have enough time to write fic...

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Postby lesmisloony » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:57 am

From a kajillion pages ago...

I've always had this theory that Montparnasse turned out to be the guy that gave Thenardier his costume for the last part, because Thenardier uses the nose-things that Gavroche showed Montparnasse how to make. Is this completely batty?
No, it's not. Though a cunning bastard like Thénardier might have known that already, and Gavroche might have picked it up from him, whereas Montparnasse could be newer to the trade. *shrugs*

On the contrary, I thought that according to Brujon, Thenardier doesn't really know the trade. So I presume that it would be Montparnasse helping Thenardier out, not vice versa.
Right, so Thénardier is incompetent in anything he does? I need to re-read the book... when there's time...


HOW DARE YOU PEOPLE FORGET THE CHANGER?

(And expect Montparnasse to share things with a bumbling galifard like the innkeeper?)

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Lalala, I came to this forum wayyy too late to actually contribute to this thread.
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Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:09 pm

What happened to the Changer then? Any theories? :D
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Postby lesmisloony » Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:23 pm

I'd say he kept on keepin' on. He was referenced twice in the Book, but I don't think he ever had an actual scene...

*beats back repressed memories of "Cosette"*
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Postby Viorica » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:13 pm

"Cosette"?
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Postby lesmisloony » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:22 pm

One of two "sequels" by that name. I haven't read the other, but the Laura Kalpakian version was... frustrating. I read it about five years ago, but from what I remember she... okay, let's make a list:

-added random barricade boys who were dying of consumption and had strangely Indian-sounding names
-created another spy at the barricade who was one of the five that left with the Nat'l Guard uniforms
-had Valjean enter the barricade by threatening to kill Courfy or Combeferre or someone like that
-have Marius and Cosette... er... being rather handsy... in the garden
-had another urchin named "Starling" who was basically Gavroche Redux
-named Marius and Cosette's daughter Fantine, and had her getting random... services... from "Starling"
-had Cosette convince Marius to start a revolution part II, and had her join him at the new barricade
-described lots of MariusCosettesecks, which horrified me
-had Éponine's sister, "Zelma," return from Texas (?) to annoy Cosette... and yes, one of "Zelma"'s daughters was named "Éponine," of course
-called Marius's cousin "Theo"

And... there was a lot of stuff about the Changer, but I think it was a woman? Or something? I can't decide whether or not I want to buy it off eBay...
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