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The Political compass test on Les Misérables characters

Postby FortressDoor » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:09 am

Political compass test

First nerdy fan research thing I have ever done, it isn't brilliant but I’m kind of hoping people will help me perfect this.

Ok, for those of you who don’t know, this is the political compass test

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

I have taken it several times, and each time I have got roughly the same score.
Economic left/right -1:00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5:00

Predictably I’m a Centrist/ Libertarian.

If you want to find out your score in an unbiased way, take the test (It will take around 10 minutes max) then read this post. If you already have taken the test/ you don’t care, read ahead!!

So I was thinking about this test and then thought, What if the characters from Les Mis could take the test. So I had the idea to take the test for them.

In the case that I know nothing about these characters and have completely botched it, I have posted my answers to each question so we can talk about where I went wrong specifically :P.

So first I decided to test Enjalros. Obviously with a 180 year time gap, some of the questions will be hard to answer, but I shall try!!

1. If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.- Strongly Agree
2. I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong.- Strongly Disagree (Enjalros loves France but hates the French government, right? )
3. No one chooses his or her country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it- Strongly Disagree (He’s very proud to be French)
4. Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races- Strongly Disagree (I hope he isn’t racist)
5. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.- Disagree (I’m pretty sure on this one, but feel free to correct me)
6. Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified.- Agree (He did start an armed revolution and I think he’s a Napoleon fan)
7. There is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment- Disagree (Not sure on this one at all)
8. People are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality. Agree (I’m kind of being moderate with use of the strongly buttons here based on my lack of knowledge)
9. Controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment. Disagree
10. Because corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment, they require regulation. Agree
11. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is a fundamentally good idea. Disagree
12. It's a sad reflection on our society that something as basic as drinking water is now a bottled, branded consumer product. Strongly Agree
13. Land shouldn't be a commodity to be bought and sold. Strongly Agree
14. It is regrettable that many personal fortunes are made by people who simply manipulate money and contribute nothing to their society. Strongly Agree
15. Protectionism is sometimes necessary in trade. Agree
16. The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders.Strongly Disagree
17. The rich are too highly taxed. Strongly Disagree
18. Those with the ability to pay should have the right to higher standards of medical care . Strongly disagree
19. Governments should penalize businesses that mislead the public. Agree
20. A genuine free market requires restrictions on the ability of predator multinationals to create monopolies. Agree
21. The freer the market, the freer the people. Disagree.
22. Abortion, when the woman's life is not threatened, should always be illegal. Strongly Agree
23. All authority should be questioned. Agree (Unsure on this one)
24. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth Agree (He did shoot that murderer after-all)
25. Taxpayers should not be expected to prop up any theatres or museums that cannot survive on a commercial basis. Agree (I don’t think Enjalros said anything about Musicals despite being in one :P)
26. Schools should not make classroom attendance compulsory. Disagree (Did Enjalros say anything about education?)
27. All people have their rights, but it is better for all of us that different sorts of people should keep to their own kind. Strongly Disagree
28. Good parents sometimes have to spank their children. Agree (It’s the 1830’s, I wouldn’t be surprised)
29. It's natural for children to keep some secrets from their parents. Strongly Agree
30. Possessing marijuana for personal use should not be a criminal offence. Agree (I would love this to be discussed ;) )
31. The prime function of schooling should be to equip the future generation to find jobs. Disagree
32. People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce. Disagree
33. The most important thing for children to learn is to accept discipline. Disagree
34. There are no savage and civilised peoples; there are only different cultures. Agree
35. Those who are able to work, and refuse the opportunity, should not expect society's support. Strongly Disagree
36. When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things Disagree
37. First-generation immigrants can never be fully integrated within their new country. Strongly Disagree
38. What's good for the most successful corporations is always, ultimately, good for all of us. Strongly Disagree
39. No broadcasting institution, however independent its content, should receive public funding. Agree.
40. Our civil liberties are being excessively curbed in the name of counter-terrorism. Agree
41. A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system. Strongly Disagree
42. Although the electronic age makes official surveillance easier, only wrongdoers need to be worried. Strongly Disagree
43. The death penalty should be an option for the most serious crimes. Strongly Agree (That’s one of the easiest ones :P)
44. In a civilised society, one must always have people above to be obeyed and people below to be commanded. Disagree (I think?)
45. Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all. Agree
46. In criminal justice, punishment should be more important than rehabilitation. Agree
47. It is a waste of time to try to rehabilitate some criminals. Agree
48. The businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist. Disagree
49. Mothers may have careers, but their first duty is to be homemakers. Disagree (Really unsure on this one)
50. Multinational companies are unethically exploiting the plant genetic resources of developing countries. Strongly Agree
51. Making peace with the establishment is an important aspect of maturity. Strongly Disagree
52. Astrology accurately explains many things. Agree
53. You cannot be moral without being religious. Disagree
54. Charity is better than social security as a means of helping the genuinely disadvantaged. Strongly Agree
55. Some people are naturally unlucky. Disagree
56. It is important that my child's school instills religious values. Disagree
57. Sex outside marriage is usually immoral. Agree
58. A same sex couple in a stable, loving relationship, should not be excluded from the possibility of child adoption. Strongly Disagree (I’m just going to assume that this is the 1830’s and everyone is homophobic except maybe Grantaire or some of the Amis :P)
59. Pornography, depicting consenting adults, should be legal for the adult population. Disagree
60. What goes on in a private bedroom between consenting adults is no business of the state. Agree
61. No one can feel naturally homosexual. Strongly Agree
62. These days openness about sex has gone too far.Agree

And so we have
Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.46


I can’t help feeling that while the economics seems about right, the Authoritarian is way off, in some direction. I probably got some of the sex questions wrong.
Anyway that was way more fun than I thought it would be so I might do some other characters e.g Javert later. Let me know what you think
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Re: The Political compass test on Les Misérables characters

Postby Acaila » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:19 am

Without looking through the whole thing yet, I think you need to admit this is going to be highly headcanoned/fanoned, because there is just no evidence whatsoever for any opinion on most of these questions, as well as the fact that a significant proportion of the questions just wouldn't be considered by someone from the early 19th century.

Don't want to harsh on your fun, but I don't want this turning into an unnecessary argument that appropriates the character for things that he never said or did.
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Re: The Political compass test on Les Misérables characters

Postby Morgan » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:36 am

Acaila wrote:Without looking through the whole thing yet, I think you need to admit this is going to be highly headcanoned/fanoned, because there is just no evidence whatsoever for any opinion on most of these questions, as well as the fact that a significant proportion of the questions just wouldn't be considered by someone from the early 19th century.

Don't want to harsh on your fun, but I don't want this turning into an unnecessary argument that appropriates the character for things that he never said or did.


This. It's a fun game, but it's definitely a headcanon thing.

That said.

FortressDoor wrote:I think he’s a Napoleon fan


...um.

This isn't a headcanon thing, he's textually and emphatically not, at least Brickwise

Not one of these young men articulated the word: The Emperor. Jean Prouvaire alone sometimes said Napoleon; all the others said "Bonaparte." Enjolras pronounced it "Buonaparte."

Marius was vaguely surprised. Initium sapientiae.


See also: entire chapter of Enjolras and Combeferre's decidedly unwelcoming response to Marius's Napoleon fanboying.
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Re: The Political compass test on Les Misérables characters

Postby FortressDoor » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:50 am

Ah well, it was fun while it lasted

Well, I got that wrong. I haven't read the book in months and I don't read a lot into Les Mis. So I guess this was just a bad idea.
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Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:36 am

I'm curious that you say that the social libertarian/authoritarian thing is way off. Because when I once read out/quoted that entire barricade speech, everyone in the house thought I was going on some social democrat/libertarian idea. Wouldn't that jive with the test result?
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Postby Morgan » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:44 am

I took FortressDoor as meaning more that -2.46 isn't really very far off centre (for reference, my personal scores are -8.00/-7.33 and I don't think I'm all that extreme but) and Enjolras being a revolutionary you might expect him to come out more radical than that.

(I could be wildly misinterpreting, though, and if I am, sorry)
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Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:58 am

For that time, his views were very revolutionary. For today, more than a century later....it's not all that revolutionary at least according to the creators of the political compass. Which, I've come to realize, is a test that is more applicable in Western democracy. It's very different across the world, especially in systems that are classified as emerging democracies. :)
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Postby Morgan » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:06 am

Yup, absolutely. That's not the kind of thing you can make a meaningful universal test for, what it tests is where you are relative to the rest of a group, and what the average opinions are is massively context-dependent historically/geographically/culturally.
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Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:09 am

Oh definitely. Especially when one is in a part of the world wherein the concept of individual rights is just emerging. :) That throws a wrench into the test.
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Re: The Political compass test on Les Misérables characters

Postby freedomlover » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:40 pm

I was just about to post what FP said. While this looks really fun- we have to remember this is fanon- not canon.
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Re: The Political compass test on Les Misérables characters

Postby Acaila » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:38 pm

Well, not even fanon in many cases but headcanon.
But the most we could do is sit and argue about historical context and what his friends *could* be doing with these in a lot of cases, and I feel that's a lot of stretching for things that could very easily descend into all too modern arguments. (Which I'd appreciate if it didn't :))
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Postby CeridwenLynne » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:43 pm

It's difficult to take tests like this for fictional characters as everyone has a different interpretation as to what we feel the character is really like. And are we dealing with the book character, the movie/ musical character, or even our own version of that character. ( fanfiction writers like me 8)

Personally I think Enjolras would be a libertarian in today's society. ( I'm American so I'm thinking about him in the USA)I don't think he would approve of the government sticking their nose too deeply into people's pocketbooks or their private lives. I think he would be for lower taxes and a small government where most of the power was in the hands of the states and the people instead of a strong central government. I think he would also take a libertarian stance on social issues such as gay marriage because I don't think he would want the government telling folks who they couldn't marry.

Enjy is the only Les Mis character I've attempted to analyze politically as I have written an modern day E/E ship where he is a libertarian.

Of course this is fanon not canon. If you want to see him as something else than that's ok with me. :D
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Re: The Political compass test on Les Misérables characters

Postby Acaila » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:49 pm

Exactly, it's fanon. There's no actual evidence to base an opinion on for the vast majority of these questions.

Though, it's interesting that you acknowledge that difficulty, and then proceed to dump a heap of unsubstantiated fanon in regardless :?
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Postby freedomlover » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:53 am

Mine is sort of similar CeridwenLynne :D
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Re: The Political compass test on Les Misérables characters

Postby Acaila » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:52 pm

It's interesting that you choose to rip a character out of his historical and political context when his historical and political context forms the vast majority of the point of the character. Well, perhaps interesting isn't the correct word.

Ah well, at least most of the bait in this thread wasn't taken. I guess most people listened to my comment about "appropriat[ing] the character for things that he never said or did."
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