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Re: Popular Fanon

Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Mon May 27, 2013 1:20 am

Popular fanon---and this one I think is drawn more from the musical: that the Amis were the only revolutionary group active in Paris.

It's so much fun to try to wreck this bit of fanon actually. :lol:
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Re: Popular Fanon

Postby Majestic_Picnob » Mon May 27, 2013 2:09 am

That's why "evil!Enjolras" fics (yes, they exist, but most are played for laughs as far as I know) never made sense to me. I highly doubt he was the overall leader of all the protests that June, so why would he be the first choice for "Glorious King-Admiral-General of the Glorious French Socialist Republic," or whatever, if the rebellion succeeded?

And yes I know the Amis weren't Socialist, I was just trying to think of the most ridiculous "Generalissimo" title possible.
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Re: Popular Fanon

Postby deHavilland » Mon May 27, 2013 2:32 am

Majestic_Picnob wrote:That's why "evil!Enjolras" fics (yes, they exist, but most are played for laughs as far as I know) never made sense to me. I highly doubt he was the overall leader of all the protests that June, so why would he be the first choice for "Glorious King-Admiral-General of the Glorious French Socialist Republic," or whatever, if the rebellion succeeded?

And yes I know the Amis weren't Socialist, I was just trying to think of the most ridiculous "Generalissimo" title possible.


I've even seen a couple where Grantaire is the tyrannical evil king. I suppose this goes along with the fanon idea of Grantaire-as-Cassandra, where he knows the revolution will fail and then just sort of links it to "muahahaha, I knew you and your revolution would never succeed! Now lick my boots!" moustache-twirling, Sheriff-of-Nottingham villain of old.
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Re: Popular Fanon

Postby Rachel » Mon May 27, 2013 2:34 am

deHavilland wrote:
Majestic_Picnob wrote:That's why "evil!Enjolras" fics (yes, they exist, but most are played for laughs as far as I know) never made sense to me. I highly doubt he was the overall leader of all the protests that June, so why would he be the first choice for "Glorious King-Admiral-General of the Glorious French Socialist Republic," or whatever, if the rebellion succeeded?

And yes I know the Amis weren't Socialist, I was just trying to think of the most ridiculous "Generalissimo" title possible.


I've even seen a couple where Grantaire is the tyrannical evil king. I suppose this goes along with the fanon idea of Grantaire-as-Cassandra, where he knows the revolution will fail and then just sort of links it to "muahahaha, I knew you and your revolution would never succeed! Now lick my boots!" moustache-twirling, Sheriff-of-Nottingham villain of old.


I read one once where Marius of all people undermined Enjolras and all of them and took over the country himself. O.o
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Re: Popular Fanon

Postby MmeBahorel » Mon May 27, 2013 2:58 am

Rachel, that's a special level of special I think I had best not actually read because I might bust something laughing :D
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Re: Popular Fanon

Postby Majestic_Picnob » Mon May 27, 2013 3:03 am

Rachel wrote:I read one once where Marius of all people undermined Enjolras and all of them and took over the country himself. O.o


Switch Marius and Enjolras's names there and you, in all seriousness, have the '35 film version. :P
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Re: Popular Fanon

Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Mon May 27, 2013 3:12 am

*is dead laughing*

A friend of mine actually asked, "Why were the students imposing *their* agenda over the people in Paris? Isn't that also tyrannical?" I had to go, "Not quite that picture, mon ami," before proceeding to give a lecture on 19th century movements and insurrection.
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Re: Popular Fanon

Postby Majestic_Picnob » Wed May 29, 2013 1:00 am

Marius and Éponine sleeping together while drunk. This admittedly has some "Word of Dante" (as TVTropes puts it) basis, as Frances Ruffelle (at least I think it was her) apparently believes it happened. I've even read a really creepy one where Marius gets so drunk he's basically non-functional, and Éponine uses the opportunity to jump his bones, which is treated as fluffy since she gets pregnant and the baby brings them together. Aww, isn't it abhorable?
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Re: Popular Fanon

Postby freedomlover » Wed May 29, 2013 1:17 am

Majestic_Picnob wrote:That's why "evil!Enjolras" fics (yes, they exist, but most are played for laughs as far as I know) never made sense to me. I highly doubt he was the overall leader of all the protests that June, so why would he be the first choice for "Glorious King-Admiral-General of the Glorious French Socialist Republic," or whatever, if the rebellion succeeded?

And yes I know the Amis weren't Socialist, I was just trying to think of the most ridiculous "Generalissimo" title possible.


Ughhh, I hate those fics :roll: Almost as bad as Nazi!Enjolras :roll: I was actually about to talk about that ;)


Look what happens when I ignore a thread- all of these posts pop up ;)
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Re: Popular Fanon

Postby Majestic_Picnob » Wed May 29, 2013 1:33 am

freedomlover wrote:
Majestic_Picnob wrote:That's why "evil!Enjolras" fics (yes, they exist, but most are played for laughs as far as I know) never made sense to me. I highly doubt he was the overall leader of all the protests that June, so why would he be the first choice for "Glorious King-Admiral-General of the Glorious French Socialist Republic," or whatever, if the rebellion succeeded?

And yes I know the Amis weren't Socialist, I was just trying to think of the most ridiculous "Generalissimo" title possible.


Ughhh, I hate those fics :roll: Almost as bad as Nazi!Enjolras :roll: I was actually about to talk about that ;)


Look what happens when I ignore a thread- all of these posts pop up ;)


If it helps, I'm pretty sure most of them are intended as black comedy. They're written precisely because Enjolras-as-Stalin is a ridiculous premise.
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Re: Popular Fanon

Postby freedomlover » Wed May 29, 2013 1:54 am

Very much so ;) Enjolras is too good, and almost too naive. Disclaimer: I know Enjolras is far from perfect, after all he even acknowledges that he will get punished for shooting a man. However, he is fighting for a free government where people have a say, and government is spread out with checks on power. The exact opposite of a dictatorship. The other extreme is super-naive Enjolras. I know Enjolras is naive to an extent (aren't we all?) but he is not a soft push over...
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Re: Popular Fanon

Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Wed May 29, 2013 2:00 am

Enjolras as overly naive doesn't *quite* compute: I am guessing that surviving 1830 would have stripped some of his illusions a little and made him less of the wide-eyed revolutionary so prevalent in fanon.
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Re: Popular Fanon

Postby Mademoiselle Mabeuf » Wed May 29, 2013 2:01 am

Dear God. Okay, I have a ff story where people review with letters to characters and they answer them next chapter. It's pretty fun. But...behold a couple of the letters I got last chapter:
dear Éponine,
you totally deserve marius! cosette can go die in a **ing hole! Imma go get him for you.
dear cosette,
go die in a **ing hole, byatch.

This isn't exactly popular fanon, but I felt that if I didn't share this with someone, I would have to write an extremely rude response next chapter. Which I don't want to do. Anyway.
(You don't even want to know what she wrote Enj. I will tell you it included the words "hot" "blonde" and "sexy.")
Will someone tell me where evil!Cosette springs from? I simply do not understand her...
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Re: Popular Fanon

Postby freedomlover » Wed May 29, 2013 2:08 am

Exactly Aurelia! Enjolras is slightly naive, not overly naive. I'm naive to at times, I think that is something that comes with political idealism--- which I confess, i'am ;)
Enjolras is not an evil mastermind bent on becoming a tyrannical dictator, and he is also not a naive wishy-washy who trusts everything everybody says.

Ughhhh, evil Cosette makes no sense :( Woww--- I dislike that very much. Poor Enjolras and Cosette!
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Re: Popular Fanon

Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Wed May 29, 2013 2:13 am

Naive can be better translated as "idealistic with principle....and not always good with the details". But one thing is for sure: he was written as knowing what he was getting into!

As for evil!Cosette....well sometimes it's an author being a bit of an Eppy bopper, or projecting onto Cosette the stereotype of the entitled, bratty girl who gets everything. It's far too easy to do this with a character who is more subtly fleshed out than the other more forceful personalities of the book.
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