Les Mis readthrough on the board?

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Readthrough: will you join us?

Yes, I'd love to!
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Yes, but I might be quiet or behind in most discussion.
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I'm not sure yet.
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No, I won't have time to read Les Mis much.
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No, I'm not interested at all in a group read-through
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Maybe, depending on how the readthrough is structured.
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Les Mis readthrough on the board?

Postby MmeJavert » Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:17 pm

Recently someone brought up the idea of starting a brand new readthrough of the whole novel. We had discussed a few various ways to go about it, but nothing concrete yet. Here is where I want to know your thoughts on it.

1) If we had it here, would you participate in the read along and the discussion?
2) Who would be interested in leading the discussion topics?
3) If you don't like the idea, would you mind telling us why? other than that you just don't want to read the brick, of course; I mean more along the lines of why you'd think it wouldn't work out here or if you have an idea you think will work better.


My current idea is to set up a sub-forum in the Les Misérables Brick board, and limit new threads to the moderator(s) of that board (and Admin), so that all the new threads will be expressly and solely for the chapter-by-chapter read-through discussions. Ideally I'd think having a small group of moderators (i.e., 2-3 people) in charge of posting the new discussion topics each day/week, and that way keeping things going, rather than restricting it to one person with the possibility of things falling behind if that person misses some of the discussion. Any threads not part of the readthrough discussion can always be set up in the other discussion boards designated for the purpose.

So let me know your ideas and suggestions here -- nothing, of course, is in stone, and it's more fun to set up one of these when we can have more people involved! :)


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Re: Les Mis readthrough on the board?

Postby Marianne » Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:31 pm

1. YES! Perhaps not 100% all of the time, but YES.
2. *raises hand* Although I do think a team would be good--see answer to question #1. Any readthrough of the Brick is going to take a long time, and everyone has days/weeks when they can't make it online or when they just don't feel up for it.

I would be particularly interested in doing annotations--if we are going chapter-by-chapter, that means for most chapters the number of arcane references to be looked up is manageable. (Most chapters. Not all. Apparently someone wrote a whole book tracking down the events in 'The Year 1817.') I would be happy to repost some of the endnotes from my Pleiade edition of the Brick. I know there have been attempts at a fan annotation project in the past, but they always went down in flames due to the sheer volume of the material, and a long slow communal read-through could be the thing that finally makes it work.
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Re: Les Mis readthrough on the board?

Postby Frédérique » Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:51 pm

I'm torn-ish between 'I'd love to!' and 'But I might be quiet.' - it'll probably vary from week to week, or what ever the intervals are to be. But then, the same thing is (presumably) true for any (wo)man here.

Would 'the discussion topics' actually be 'So this week's ration was [chapter X to chapter Y]! Comments? Complaints to register?' or more book club-like specific questions?

Perhaps the people who own Pleiade Bricks could take turns at typing up/translating annotations (... with the possible exception of the five billion instances of 'lugubre' being replaced by 'sépulcral' or the like, unless they're in high demand) so you aren't left with all the typeload? I'd be up for it, and all the more for the general idea of fan annotations - it's not just the slowness that should make it work but also the widespreadness of the forum members' fields of specialisation, so to speak.

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Re: Les Mis readthrough on the board?

Postby Marianne » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:00 pm

Last time we did it (http://community.livejournal.com/reading_lesmiz), there were book club-type questions. I was thinking we could do it more informally and with a more, um, fangirlish slant. As in "Oh dear god HUGO why did you put in YET ANOTHER ANECDOTE ABOUT THE BISHOP?" "No, see, it's actually a very cleverly constructed potshot at the corruption of the Church..."

What reading schedules do people want? I'm a fan of the year-long read-through, but I'd be willing to go faster if anyone wants to--there might just be less typing up of annotations if we were to go faster.
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Re: Les Mis readthrough on the board?

Postby Ulkis » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:34 pm

Okay, for some reason when I click on an option it's telling me it's invalid, so fyi I picked "yes I'd love to."

What reading schedules do people want? I'm a fan of the year-long read-through, but I'd be willing to go faster if anyone wants to--there might just be less typing up of annotations if we were to go faster.


I think maybe we should start with more than one chapter, and then when we get to the more popular parts of the book we can do one chapter? I don't mind a year long read through, but I think there is less risk of the project petering out if the time span is shorter. Maybe we can shoot for 6 months or so? But I wouldn't know how many chapters a day we should read.

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Re: Les Mis readthrough on the board?

Postby MmeJavert » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:54 pm

I'm going to edit the original post and say it here -- to vote in the poll, change your viewing style to either 'revolution' or 'prosilver'. I haven't been able to fix the bug that doesn't allow the polls to work properly in other styles. You can change your viewing style via the User Control Panel.



I like the option of creating a new discussion topic for each individual chapter. That way, if schedules get behind, one could always create a few ahead of time.

I wouldn't mind doing "one volume a month/two months" sort of method, either -- that way we could conceivably read the whole Brick in five months. But I think that would close down the discussion.

Or we could do weekly posts and say, for example. "This week July 25-31 we will be reading these seven chapters, please comment with questions/discussion/lulz." But one thing I am very keen on is the actual discussion -- if we go too fast to be able to focus on the discussion and/or interesting footnotes, I think some of the fun is lost.
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Re: Les Mis readthrough on the board?

Postby hazellwood » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:55 pm

I'm all for it. A yearlong read through would be more convenient for me personally, but I'm really fine with anything as long as the time span isn't too short. The weekly post idea sounds good, but there needs to be time for discussion and annotations and things.

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Re: Les Mis readthrough on the board?

Postby Mamselle Miss » Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:18 pm

Well I'm in! Mostly because it sounds like a lot of fun.

I'm all for the longer schedule, I think that it would be easier for people who might get behind to only have to catch up on a few chapters instead of a whole section of the book.

Also, I would be willing to lead one or two discussions. Heaven only knows how good I'll be at it, however.
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Re: Les Mis readthrough on the board?

Postby Frédérique » Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:51 pm

'One volume a month' might be workable, but regardless of speed I agree that we should have smaller/more frequent units/posts in order to actually get discussion going (because discussion of an entire volume at the end of a month/of random parts from that volume across the month ... is not going to differ very much from people bringing up things for discussions that happened to cross their minds the way they do all the time anyway). So, yes to either 'a new discussion topic for each individual chapter' (which would make for a lot of really short threads [except for the thirty pages each that will be brought home by "Un groupe qui a failli devenir historique" and "Enjolras et ses lieutenants"], but would also be very neat in terms of having all the annotations in the exact right place) or 'This week July 25-31 we will be reading these seven chapters, please comment with questions/discussion/lulz'.


"Oh dear god HUGO why did you put in YET ANOTHER ANECDOTE ABOUT THE BISHOP?" "No, see, it's actually a very cleverly constructed potshot at the corruption of the Church..."


Oh, that sounds like a perfect mixture! As in, with a wholly Book Club slant we might have ended up with some dry spells during, say, the convent part (which I dare assume is the point where the vast majority of us would be out of our depth in terms of Srs Analytical Debate, as opposed to Waterloo or Argot or the Sewers, which have their experts and/or enthusiasts ... or do we have convent enthusiasts?), or generally with dry spells whenever a lot of people's minds generally reach the point of No Capacity Of Expressing Srs Analytical Debate at the same time.

ETA: And I would volunteer to lead the odd discussion as well, in as far as 'opening the thread/posing some questions/typing up the annotations' is concerned (-- what else does leading the discussion entail?) Would discussion leaderships be assigned at regular intervals or would we take the potentially rewarding pains of claiming Parts We Want To Lead?

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Postby hazellwood » Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:05 pm

Frédérique wrote:Oh, that sounds like a perfect mixture! As in, with a wholly Book Club slant we might have ended up with some dry spells during, say, the convent part (which I dare assume is the point where the vast majority of us would be out of our depth in terms of Srs Analytical Debate, as opposed to Waterloo or Argot or the Sewers, which have their experts and/or enthusiasts ... or do we have convent enthusiasts?), or generally with dry spells whenever a lot of people's minds generally reach the point of No Capacity Of Expressing Srs Analytical Debate at the same time.

I will gladly help with serious discussion on the convent section. That's one of my favourite parts of the book, and I've read it more times than I've read the entire thing. Analysis is fun. But yeah, there should definitely be a mix of fandom/fangirly things as well as serious discussion. It wouldn't be as fun otherwise.

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Re: Les Mis readthrough on the board?

Postby Frédérique » Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:14 pm

Ooh yay! That's what I meant re:widespreadness - we're going to have someone to shift into major geekery mode over every part :D

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Re: Les Mis readthrough on the board?

Postby MmeJavert » Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:19 pm

Oh how I wish I could do multiple polls within a thread, because now I sort of want to ask whether an individual one-thread-per-chapter approach is preferred, or something else. Although I think, going by the responses so far, that one-thread-per-chapter would be acceptable if not the most preferable, all around.

It might be fun to have a whole group of people involved in posting discussion topics. Perhaps a sign up thread might be useful. :) Although we will need to make sure all the chapters are represented, too. Not that I don't doubt we'll have trouble, but well... let's not all fight over "A Group Which Almost Became Historic" and leave, say, the chapter on Louis-Philippe unwanted. :lol:
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Re: Les Mis readthrough on the board?

Postby Marianne » Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:47 pm

How about one thread per book? As in, we've got the five big volumes (Fantine, Cosette, Marius, the Idyll and the Epic, and Jean Valjean), each with several books (the Friends of the ABC, The Grandeurs of Despair, the Conjunction of Two Stars, etc), each with several chapters. We could have one thread for each book, with the understanding that we're covering one chapter a day, and as soon as the right number of days have elapsed the thread for the next book gets started.

Also, do we want to have just 2 or 3 mods, or some sort of sign-up system so anyone could sign up to lead the discussion for their favorite part? (If we did the latter, there would have to be some measures in place to prevent a pile-up on 'Orestes Sober and Pylades Drunk.') Or we could just say screw the idea of discussion leaders, mods will post a new thread whenever needed and let whoever's the most interested provide material for discussion.
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Re: Les Mis readthrough on the board?

Postby MmeJavert » Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:03 pm

Actually that's not a bad idea. Some of the books are shorter than others, but then some of the longer books, page wise, don't require as much discussion.

I think we need to work out exactly how many people are willing to be involved from beginning to end, barring any mishaps or real life issues preventing internet, in doing the discussion topics. We don't necessarily need more than 2-3, maaaaybe 4 people to start the discussion threads. After all anyone would then be able to join in on the discussion, and contribute what they know on the subject -- be it Waterloo, the sewers, the convents, all the wonderful footnotes about Enjolras' name and why he and Grantaire are the most subtextually canon couple in existence etc. Having a couple mods involved would keep it clean and tidy and wouldn't involve so much pre-planning. Just--the small handful of mods rotating posting responsibility dependent on their lives/schedules. This might end up having some people starting a discussion thread on a part of the book they're not as fond of or as conversant in, but that's okay. Starting the thread need be nothing more than the title of the book and maybe a few questions or comments to fling things off, and let the discussion explode. :D Having 2-4 mods in charge of rotating this will prevent people from whining that they didn't get to do the posts they wanted. I mean, it's not like we're going to prevent anyone from any part of the discussions.

But I'm going to leave this for a few days to give as many people as possible a chance to chime in. The new board will eventually go up too, haha, but later, so as to keep out stray postings. (I'm sorry. I like keeping things neat and organised and tidy.) Once we've had some good opinions I'll set up the new board and maybe there'll be another poll or two to help gets things started.
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Re: Les Mis readthrough on the board?

Postby Aurelia Combeferre » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:01 am

I'm in for it! Are we doing the "chapter a day" thing, or are we giving a longer time frame to get through the individual chapters?
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