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Re: Political Posts

Postby deHavilland » Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:41 am

So much easier in Canada. To ID yourself at the polls you have to show either your driver's license or your provincial card, which is basically the "I don't have a driver's license but I need some sort of photo ID" card. It's $35, not really back-breaking on something that lasts for five years.

BUT if you can't muster up either of those (and really how do you do anything at all without one of those) you can show two pieces of any other ID, including but not limited to your health card (of which literally everyone should have since it's the card you flash at the hospital/doctor's office to get your free stuff!), SIN card (again, everyone should have one because without which you can't get a job), credit or debit card with your name on it, student card, any kind of bill or bank statement, a personal cheque, or yes, your library card. Yes, your free library card from wherever can count for one of the two pieces of ID you use at the polls to indicate you are you as long as it has your name on it. (But at least one of the two things has to have your current address on it.)

And if you can't even do THAT, you can swear an oath. Show two things with your name on it and bring a friend who will promise you live where you say you live and you're in. Library card, debit card and a friend who'll say "yeah, yeah, they live where they say they live" and you're in.

Acaila wrote:(also people like me who have no idea where their passports are - inconvenient considering the number of elections we've had recently)


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Re: Political Posts

Postby Acaila » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:56 pm

You'll be delighted to hear I have a place to hang my oven glove at my new place ;) I'm pretty sure it's in an old handbag, it's just a question of which one. I do have a Big Red Folder of important stuff where it should be, but it isn't.

Everyone here gets a polling card sent to them a few weeks before an election telling them where to go vote and with their name and address such on it. They're not compulsory to bring, though people say it speeds the process up (I've literally never had to wait more than a minute or two to get my ballot paper so I'm unconvinced)
But even making those compulsory would probably deter a lot of people who might get convinced to go vote on a whim. Heard a story about one seat in the general election where someone at a university went into the uni library and rounded up everyone they could find. The majority in that seat ended up being 20 people, for a party generally most popular with students.
Plus I was in a total panic when I didn't get a polling card and phoned the council to check I was registered properly even though I did it twice when we moved to make sure. Yep, turns out the boyfriend had just dumped them somewhere and not told me they'd arrived! :roll:
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Re: Political Posts

Postby CC21106 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:34 pm

Re: politics. Charlottesville. I suppose the whole world knows about it? The neoNazis KILLED a woman. Good God, I never thought it would get this bad. Hopefully this is just an extreme outlier and not a harbinger. We will see.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby Acaila » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:57 am

Genuinely scary to see literal unapologetic Nazis wandering around. And Trump of course saying counter protesters as bad as the people wearing Hitler quotes on shirts, attacking blacks they see and carrying out terrorist attacks. What a total #%/ €((//#÷$ he is!
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Re: Political Posts

Postby CeridwenLynne » Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:39 pm

I think it's scary to see the far-right and the far-left resort to violence. The neo Nazi who ran over the woman in Charlottesville and the BLM radical who killed those police officers in Dallas last year are equally evil. I know that not all BLM supporters are murderers just as not all those who protest the removal of Confederate monuments are neo-Nazis.

I agree CC21106. I hope what happened in Charlottesville was an isolated incident and not a harbinger of things to come.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby Acaila » Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:28 am

IMO, there's a big difference between an oppressed minority resorting to political violence, and privileged people praising genocidal maniacs and attempting to silence people seeking to be treated with basic human dignity.

Like, it's why we're all pretty keen on the revolution in Les Mis since it represents the improvement of the abaisse, whereas we wouldn't be so keen if it was the government starting violence against its citizens for daring to question why they're so poor (though you can argue allowing such abject miserable poverty to continue is state violence I suppose but w/e).

And not that BLM is the far left incidentally by any means. Anti-racists are not automatically raving Marxists. Contrary to American perspectives on politics, things are not always.....ugh I was going to say black and white there, awkward! :roll: A binary opposition is what I shall say instead.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby CeridwenLynne » Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:21 pm

Acaila wrote:IMO, there's a big difference between an oppressed minority resorting to political violence, and privileged people praising genocidal maniacs and attempting to silence people seeking to be treated with basic human dignity.


No matter how oppressed someone feels they do not have the right to go and gun down five police officers in cold blood. Just as someone who feels mad at the world does not have the right to walk into a school and start shooting. A peaceful protest is one thing but when you resort to violence against the opposition or even an innocent bystander your protest has become a riot.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby Prisoner 24653 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:56 am

It's a complicated issue, to be sure. Of course, something like the shooting of police officers in Dallas last year can't be excused or justified; but neither can officers planting false evidence, or assaulting or killing people for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some police departments are doing well in improving their standards for officers (doing things like requiring body cameras) and focusing more on community outreach, so I hope more will start doing that.

As for the Nazi rally in Charlottesville... yeah. That was truly horrifying, seeing something like that happen in this country. Fortunately, the resistance has upped their game in response. A similar rally planned for Boston -- maybe 100 white supremacists -- were completely overshadowed by thousands of people opposing them and had to hide out in a park. And those at the Charlottesville rally were being identified in the following days thanks to social media, with many losing their jobs as a result. Can't say I blame their employers for not wanting to be associated with those views. So even with Trump waffling on what should be the easiest damn thing for a US President to say -- a clear disavowal of that movement, y'know? -- I'm encouraged that even many in his own party are starting to call him out on it. Hopefully, the resistance will continue to grow, and more conservatives will also be disgusted by what that movement has become.

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Re: Political Posts

Postby freedomlover » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:17 pm

So far (thankfully!) judging by my social media there is universal condemnation of the nazis from my liberal, libertarian, conservative and socialists.

It was absolutely disgusting what went on. Also, very surreal that these people still exist, and most of them were in their 20s. I met one fascist, at my university. He wanted to know why I was learning "inferior languages" and wanted to talk to me because i'm his "political opposite" I could not have a reasonable conversation with him because the entire time he was saying how his race is superior, and the American race is the most superior. I asked him "what is the American race?" and he got uncomfortable, then I asked him "so if you never learn about foreign cultures- how are you so convinced they are bad?" and he got so upset.

These people are not rational people you can argue with, they are full of hatred and anger.


Maybe this is a silly concern, but I wish we could stop reusing historical terminology. Allusions are great, but historical terminology gets annoying. The other day I mentioned "the Tea Party" referring to the Boston Tea Party, but of course everybody thought of the massive protests in the US from 2009-2012ish

and "resistance" only makes me think of a satire I wrote in which Trump won the election, all the liberals were banished somewhere, and the conservative "NeverTrumpers" called themselves "the resistance" and basically I purposely took the terminology from the French Resistance to show how confusing it is to use historical terminology. This was written pre-election, and I purposely made everything as terrible as possible.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby CeridwenLynne » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:16 pm

It's hard to believe that there are still die-hard racists in the USA. When I did was in college I worked part-time evening in a local bookstore and one night I was taking a break in the back room when a lady poked her head thru the door and asked me if I would come up to the front and ring her up. I told her that there was a boy up front who would be happy to ring her up. I asked her if there was a line because I was always willing to come out and help if the store got busy. She told me that no there was not a line but that she didn't want "his kind" ringing me up. Sh then had the nerve to ask me that if I wasn't going to help was there another white person around who could check her out. It made me so mad that I felt like telling her to get out of the store but did not want to get into a confrontation with her.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby freedomlover » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:35 pm

Ewww, that is terrible!
I feel like for a while in the US there was more shame to being racist, but now a new wave arose.

A sad fact is there are die-hard racists, bigots and discriminators everywhere... today on the internet I saw somebody open up her ask box for cultural asks, and some German sent her an ask and she was like "ewww I hate Germans!" and she made jokes about the Irish (like really bad jokes), and she said she hates Americans.. then a minute later was all "I love cultures and people but only Slavic cultures we are the best <333"

Of course, I also know many wonderful, amazing people from Slavic countries.

On a trade ride through Philadephia I saw a disgusting amount of grafetti against Jewish people, and swastikas

I also saw racist graffetti and a racist protest in Paris, France. But obviously there are many non-racists in France as well.

It transcends all national boarders and is fuled by the (unjustified) hatred of another group of people.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby Acaila » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:52 pm

It's not really hard to believe. Like, how else does one account for Trump and his wall.
Ugggh, so gross.
The hiding behind free speech arguments is awful too. Like you *can* say something racist, but if you do, you're a dick and people are free to treat you as such.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby freedomlover » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:03 pm

I wonder if its a case of nobody wants to be "against freedom of speech" so the far-right twists those words around.

The thing is we have a freedom to say what we want, and if its bad people have a right to say "that's terrible!"

and advocating genocide, racial cleaning, etc is a whole different ballgame.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby Acaila » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:09 am

Pretty much. It's like "death tax". Well inherited wealth is one of the greatest reasons for inequality in the world, but opponents will call it a death tax, and everyone will hate on it.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby CC21106 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:52 pm

That speech in Alabama. Words cannot express my feelings about it.
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