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Re: Political Posts

Postby Acaila » Thu May 25, 2017 12:22 am

Uniformolatry is a great little term! I have to be honest, the whole SUPPORT OUR TROOPS veneration seems to be particularly American, but the last couple of years I've grown frustrated with how Remembrance Day has been handled here as it seems to have moved away from "never again" to simular rhetoric. I got ridiculously annoyed when they released Green Fields of France as a charity single and specifically cut the anti war verse! But imo, folk in the forces are no more worthy of such adulation than other public servants.
One of my kids has just signed up for the navy actually. Instead of getting all patriotic and gushy, I just think god help us!
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Re: Political Posts

Postby freedomlover » Thu May 25, 2017 12:05 pm

@Rachel: Yes I was talking about Trump. Sorry I was being a bit passive-aggressive towards him. I was mainly focusing on the wealth divide and class warfare but yeah that is an issue also. (Why did I write Warsaw instead of warfare?? "Class Warsaw")

@CC21106: I know right? Many of my favorite professors haven't exactly been strong men of muscle. By that logic applied to world leaders, I'm sure Putin and Lukashenko would be the most powerful, and probably also Andrzej Duda. But nobody else.
I also noticed on every job application with the government (even before Trump) veterans are given special preferrence. Nothing wrong with individuals who join the military to protect the country but I think we need to spend more on diplomacy and issues effecting the country than a military which is already strong. Its like sure we are a "strong nation" but our own people aren't living too well, are having trouble finding jobs, cleaning toilets when they have advanced university degrees, forced to go overseas for work (of course many do it by choice, but I noticed alot of my friends being forced to permenately or temporarily emigrate out of the US because work), and overall not very happy.

I know what you mean, nothing against individual people in uniform but I think we are overdoing it.

@Acaila: " folk in the forces are no more worthy of such adulation than other public servants. " Exactly!
Good to know i'm not the only one who thinks that... We already have a very large military, not sure why we need to make it bigger- especially at the expense of embassies, diplomacy, and programs that help the people (of course some of those programs need restructuring but not cutting)
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Re: Political Posts

Postby CeridwenLynne » Thu May 25, 2017 2:06 pm

freedomlover wrote:

I love how people are like "but you thought the Democrats were violating the constitution, isn't it good the Republicans are in power now?" uhh both parties have been doing a ping-pong game of power tbh.


Both the Democrats and Republicans only seem to defend the Constitution when it supports their party agenda.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby CC21106 » Thu May 25, 2017 9:38 pm

I genuinely fear getting into an exchange where somebody's coming at me with "Don't you care about x" or "You must just not care about y". This is classic verbal attack. Need to get out "The Gentle Art of Verbal Self-Defense" again and study the techniques.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby CeridwenLynne » Sat May 27, 2017 7:41 pm

LOL :lol: I like to say that if you can annoy both Conservatives and Liberals in the same sentence you might be a Libertarian.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby CC21106 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:17 pm

So we're out of the climate accord group, forming our own little consortium with Nicaragua and Syria. :cry:
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Re: Political Posts

Postby Prisoner 24653 » Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:50 am

Indeed... and whereas Nicaragua and Syria had kinda valid reasons (Nicaragua saying the Paris goals didn't go far enough to stop climate change while Syria couldn't commit to the goals because they're in the middle of a civil war), the US's reason was essentially just "We don't wanna!"

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Re: Political Posts

Postby CC21106 » Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:22 pm

So they want a huge federal database of all the voters and how they voted in the past. If that isn't a recipe for totalitarianism I don't know what is. We have a tradition called "the secret ballot" and nobody is supposed to know how you vote. That's why the booths have sides on them, so people won't see which little boxes you are blacking in. There is a numeric connection between your actual paper ballot and your voter registration number, so in case of dispute it is possible to track down how you voted. But it's not standard procedure.

Also, what about reducing federal control over everything? "Except what we don't want to."
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Re: Political Posts

Postby CeridwenLynne » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:45 pm

CC21106 wrote:So they want a huge federal database of all the voters and how they voted in the past. If that isn't a recipe for totalitarianism I don't know what is. We have a tradition called "the secret ballot" and nobody is supposed to know how you vote. "


Now that is a scary thought. :shock:
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Re: Political Posts

Postby freedomlover » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:07 pm

CeridwenLynne wrote:
CC21106 wrote:So they want a huge federal database of all the voters and how they voted in the past. If that isn't a recipe for totalitarianism I don't know what is. We have a tradition called "the secret ballot" and nobody is supposed to know how you vote. "


Now that is a scary thought. :shock:


isn't there already something like this? I remember when doing political campaigns there were all records of who voted Republican/Democrat in the last election but still... terrible idea.

Like in my state we have these pink and light blue cards to put in the voting booth whether you are a Democrat or Republican and the whole thing feels weird.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby Acaila » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:08 pm

What's the deal in America land with the whole "registered republican/democrat/independent" thing?

Over here, the only way folk know is if you tell canvassers or polling companies, which is fair enough and totally optional. I'm always surprised by how many people are totally happy to tell you how they voted.

The first time I ever got canvassed, I opened the door thinking it was my pizza that I'd ordered. The poor guys doing the canvassing could not have been more apologetic, it was adorable.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby CC21106 » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:14 am

I got to thinking about it and I don't know a thing about being a registered party member. Man, am I ever ignorant. I just know I vote in the Democratic primaries. In the general election we all get the same ballot and it goes in the same box. (Thinking back) I can't remember whether your affiliation is on the big master list of voters you have to sign when you come in. I know that we now have to show a photo ID, which I think is unconstitutional.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby Acaila » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:29 am

There are rumblings about wanting to bring in voter ID here, which is really dumb tbh because voter fraud is such a miniscule issue. It's just dogwhistle racism here really.

Here you need to be a party member to vote on candidate selection. Labour changing their rules to one member one vote (from all MPs having the same voting as all trade union votes and all ordinary members) were the reason we got awesome socialist jam grandad as the leader of the opposition and Prime Minister apparent.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby CeridwenLynne » Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:53 am

CC21106 wrote:I got to thinking about it and I don't know a thing about being a registered party member. Man, am I ever ignorant. I just know I vote in the Democratic primaries. In the general election we all get the same ballot and it goes in the same box. (Thinking back) I can't remember whether your affiliation is on the big master list of voters you have to sign when you come in. I know that we now have to show a photo ID, which I think is unconstitutional.


I don't understand why people get so upset about having to show a photo ID to vote. Most people do have them and it does prevent voter fraud from happening. I know I'd be very mad if someone did NOT ask for my ID on election day.

In my state you have to be registered as a party member to vote in a primary.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby Acaila » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:15 am

Probably because it disenfranchises people who don't have some form of official ID? Over here, they are very expensive and it's not out of the realms of possibility for people to not have one. The only IDs they are proposing to accept are passport or driving license, and if you don't drive and haven't had reason to travel abroad, then you won't have one. If you have had one in the past but it's expired, well it'll cost you £72.50 to get a new passport (about a hundred dollars). Basically, it's a way to stop poor people voting. (also people like me who have no idea where their passports are - inconvenient considering the number of elections we've had recently)

It's been reported here that it could stop 7.5% of the population from voting. That's absolutely huge and would totally swing elections. And realistically, we need to avoid disincentives to vote since turnout has been declining over the last few decades.
As for voter fraud, it's really not an issue. This is for the UK but, "According to a government report published late last year, there were 51.4 million votes cast and only a total of 26 allegations of fraud by people voting in person" Welp, talk about responding to a problem that doesn't exist!
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