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Re: Political Posts

Postby humanracer » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:41 pm

Hi
I haven't been here in a while but this is an interesting discussion.

Freedomlover, from what I remember you had very strong republican and libertarian views. I have always respected you and your opinions. The only thing I will say now is that I hope your recent experiences leads you to be more sympathetic towards people in low paid jobs. We are not all lazy or lacking ambition or wanting to steal your taxes. Some of us just fall on hard times.

Regarding careers and jobs, it is also good to think about what you want out of life. Some jobs pay really well but involve long hours and working away from home. I work in an office. My job isn't amazingly well paid but it is decent and enough for me to be comfortable. I recently just bought a three bedroom house. It helps if you can save money and you have no debts. I have the Scottish goverment to thank for that for putting me through university without being lumbered with loads of student debt. I do have a student loan but in Scotland you only pay a set amount back each month and it depends on your earnings. There are no tutition fees. Having said that, I do take that point that perhaps too many people are going to university. It certainly keeps lecturers in jobs but I am not entirely sure it leads to a better educated populace at the moment. I don't regret going to university one bit as it gave me invaluable life experience.

I am not American but from what I can see in the US you are nothing without a job. Your healthcare and quality of life depends upon you having a job and a good one at that. Now you might think that's good as it encourages people to work hard and get jobs but what happens when jobs get outsourced and there is nothing? This is why I think many people, apart from the typical racists, voted for Trump. Trump, in my view, is full of empty promises and cannot turn the tide of globalisation and nor should he.

I admire many socialist polices but I am big believer in capitalism. Why? Because I believe humans have always been motivated to do good things by the lure of riches. Inventors, explorers and artists sought not just recognition for their achievements but also a financial reward. If a scientist comes up with a medicine that will help humanity then by all means let them have a huge house and a massive salary. They deserve it. I don't care if a CEO of a bank gets paid a fortune BUT only if they are successful. If jobs are lost because of their mismanagement or the taxpayer has to bail them out then why should we reward their failure?

Many western societies, US included, are facing the same issues. One is healthcare. People are living longer and getting sicker. Medicines are more expensive. Who should pay for it? Another is the rise of technology. Almost 4 in 10 American jobs could be reassigned to automated bots by the early 2030s, according to a new PWC report. What skills then do we need to teach people to allow them to adapt and live in this new society? Politicans are trying to tell people that they must choose between a welfare state supposedly full of "lazy" people or a society where dog eats dog and minorities are seen as the reason for lost jobs. Instead we need to look to the future, like Victor Hugo did. What kind of society do we want to live in? Most of the west is now a service economy and China is heading that way too. How can we adapt to that? As we approach the 100th anniversary of the end of War in Europe, how do we keep the peace and prevent major conflicts. These are issues we should be asking our politicians.

Good luck in the job hunt.

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Re: Political Posts

Postby freedomlover » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:09 pm

Sorry if I miss anybody! Citizens came up with many interesting things to say ;)


@humanracer

Awww citizen, you are making me smile :)
Not sure if I fit that label these days with the way things have changed. At least i'm not sure because of how much the spectrum changed over here, and getting called a "communist enemy of the republic" by the libertarians on campus (well, they were anarcho-libertarians who were calling everybody communists lol ) Kind of embarrassed to admit my views have changed a bit during college.. At least maybe? either that or the spectrum here went so far right nobody knows where they are.. didn't think they changed too much but wow haha, some issues i've changed my mind on[/size]

Oh dear! I hope I never said that. Sorry if I did. I actually never thought that about people being lazy or wanting to steal taxes. My dad hasn't had a job in 9 years, so unfortionately i'm on the lower end of the spectrum.

Congratulations on buying a house :) True. There also needs to be more incentive for people to create jobs in the fields people are majoring in. Of course as deHavvy said some majors like Classics will be very hard to fill. Trump happens to be cutting a ton of government, diplomacy, museum and library sciences jobs which really stinks for people who have studied those fields since we used to have more jobs in them. Maybe for majors like Classics we can encourage them to broaden their field?

That's a good point on capitalism- but how do we control if the CEO gets paid only on being successful? would we need a bit of government intervention for that? or maybe worker's committees?

Yeahh, the US is in a really bad situation right now. We are even starting to export our own people as labor overseas, many EU countries are getting wary of this trend of Americans trying to export our own people. Some of them are cool with it though (Poland and Eastern Europe in general love it, most of Western Europe is wary of it- but France is starting to recruit American scientists to emigrate)
Our emigration rate isn't that "high" yet compared to some other countries, but for the first time in our history it is starting to raise. For many of my classmates the only option is "leave the country."
Of course many people just talk about how they are going to leave this country and go off to London or Berlin and get rich, but its alot easier to dream about that than actually do it with all the paper work involved.
I think mostly open borders would be a good thing, allow freedom of talent and exchanging of ideas. Especially between allied countries.

Don't want to sound too pessimistic, things in the US can get better. Perhaps someday we will see our mistakes and take steps to reverse the damage done recently and to look at what is working around the world and try to make things better.

I think we need a combined system of socialism and capitalism. We need enough checks to detour corrupt employers from abusing the system.

We need to focus on making people more creative about what type of jobs will be available in the future. People keep saying we have a "manufactoring shortage" but instead of focusing on that, focus on how we can create other types of jobs since many of those are used by robots.


Good point on Trump. I think people were living in fear, fear of seeing jobs disappear, and the "American inferiority complex" of "we are falling behind and the world hates us and laughs at us. Poor us!"
We have two moods 1) we are the best nation on earth
2) everybody hates us we are the worst!

I think it would be alot healthier for us to acknowledge the faults in this nation, but actually work on changing them and progress instead of just this constant complaining and then impulsive voting.

and do medicines really need to be as expensive as they are? or is it greedy pharmacutical companies? or maybe if we hired more people in that field the price would drop?

@23623
Very interesting! Its kind of sad because in a world of just STEM, we lose the idea that humanities is also very importance. It also is funny how forced STEM interest seems to be. Of course some people are actually passionate about it (my brother haha) but it seems like humanities have a tendency to be more passionate.
That's a bright outlook, hopefully that will be the case :) maybe if parts of STEM become more robotic humanities will be in higher demand?

@Acaila
Yeahhh theater is a tough one to find jobs with as well. I double majored in Politics and Policy, and International Relations with a History minor. Even tried a few foreign languages in an attempt to make myself more interesting haha
Good advice about skills!

@deHavvy
a truly "free market" would probably function as anarchy, or it would desolve into chaos and one rich person with a monopoly would declare himself ruler.
I guess that was a bad choice of words on my part!
Ohh Classics is such a cool field! True, do you think maybe in such fields they should focus on generalizing degrees for more flexibility?
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Re: Political Posts

Postby CC21106 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:16 pm

Way too much to comment on all of it and I'm jumping in way late but I'll just tell my experience with getting a job in the US, which I think I've posted before but it is peripherally related to this discussion. I majored in linguistics. They told us with that degree we could get a job at one of two places: The National Security Agency or the Bible Translation Institute. Neither appealed to me. NSA--ridiculous. And I didn't like the idea of moving to the Amazon to learn some tribe's language to try to Christianize them.

While in college (university) I worked as a computer operator. Also I had drafting in high school, a vocational class. These two things came together and my first "real" job was as a CAD drafter for a NASA contractor. From there I went to the editing department of the same contractor; got laid off, and set myself up as a tech writer -- with no experience. I got hired on the basis of the editing and did that for many years.

Because of some complications in life I changed over to doing Internet tech support for small ISPs, and loved it. So, with the very minimum of STEM training--FORTRAN, and half an assembly language class-- I still had jobs in technology for all those years. These days entry is a lot more rigorous--people have actual degrees in tech writing, though how you can spend four years learning to make numbered lists and what the difference is between notes, cautions, and warnings beats me.

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Capitalism I see as different from plutocracy, which is what we are rapidly devolving into. Healthy capitalism allows for a lot of small companies. I have worked for small companies and found them good places to be, but they can't always provide benefits like health insurance so there you are, one crisis away from homelessness. I would have said from the poorhouse but there aren't any poorhouses any more, just the street.

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Being a socialist in the US is considered the moral equivalent on the left of being a neo-Nazi on the right. As someone said, "socialist" is practically a cuss word and "liberal" is rapidly following it. Liberals have essentially lost the use of the word and have taken to calling themselves progressives.

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And now there's Roy Moore in Alabama, and all his fellow idiots who messed around with girls and women who weren't interested. A whole different subject.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby freedomlover » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:04 pm

I was just about to post my new Odyssey articles about republicanism here, but hey my topic is alive :shock:

I wonder how much longer it will take for STEM to be overcrowded if that's what they are forcing everybody into? and if people are involved in things they aren't passionate about, usually the quality ends up bad.

So true! Its interesting how terms are changing. "Progressive" always seemed like a funny word to me, because technically- who defines progress? what is progress to one person is probably regressive to the next. Who are we to say our viewpoints are more progressive than another person's? Like i'm probably thinking too much into it.

I've heard that, "liberal" has now almost entirely gone the way of "socialist" I haven't heard it used in a good context in over a year.

"Conservative" also is getting really fuzzy, nobody seems to jknow what it means anymore- especially with the alt-right becoming a thing, and stuff.

Know what is really interesting? I noticed on political questions for internships in DC only a few options represented
- Liberal
- Progressive
- Moderate
- Fiscal Conservative
- Traditional Conservative
- Libertarian
- Not Political

It first shocked me that "social conservative" and "socialist" weren't options. I then noticed "traditional conservative' and was like "how come monarchists have an option now?"


anyway, here are my republic articles, for some odd reason my coverphoto keeps changing
https://www.theodysseyonline.com/part-2 ... ublicanism

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/the-pr ... r-republic

written for every monarchist out there who told me "absolute monarchy is better and more stable than a republic"
Well, I haven't met that many but still- I noticed its becoming a thing so I had to defend la republique.

and I wrote about Charles Jeanne while I was at it
https://www.theodysseyonline.com/histor ... olutionary
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Re: Political Posts

Postby Prisoner 24653 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:17 pm

So, all but one of the Senate Republicans voted for a tax reform bill that nobody had read in its entirety before the vote, because the bill is 479 pages long with last-minute additions and revisions handwritten in the margins and was only sent out to the Senators a few hours before the vote. The Republicans voted for it just because they wanted to pass something major this year, whether or not it's actually good for the people. This isn't the end, as they still have to go to a conference committee to reconcile the differences with the House's tax bill (which is also odious, but in somewhat different ways). Hoping the bill fails and that people will vote out as many of its supporters as possible next year. :evil:

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Re: Political Posts

Postby Morbidmuch_ » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:08 pm

Is this sort of behaviour normal for the senate? Also can I just express how happy I am that I'm not from the US and don't have the Drump for president?
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Re: Political Posts

Postby freedomlover » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:02 am

Morbidmuch_ wrote:Is this sort of behaviour normal for the senate? Also can I just express how happy I am that I'm not from the US and don't have the Drump for president?


I wish I could say its not normal, but supermajorities in general [size=50]both parties have done this[/size] are like this. Yes, unfortionately this is what happens...

I know its cultural for us to have a two party system but I'd much prefer multiparty

what country are you from? for some weird reason i'm thinking Germany
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Re: Political Posts

Postby Morbidmuch_ » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:04 am

freedomlover wrote:what country are you from? for some weird reason i'm thinking Germany


Sweden, actually, so not too far off!
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Re: Political Posts

Postby freedomlover » Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:47 pm

Morbidmuch_ wrote:
freedomlover wrote:what country are you from? for some weird reason i'm thinking Germany


Sweden, actually, so not too far off!


Ahh!! I was kind of close!

I would love to visit Sweden someday, especially now that I have the flag. So I have a collection of international flags and they were supposed to be only of countries i've visited, but gradually it has extended to flags of countries where I have friends and flags of countries that I want to see. I know its kind of a weird collection, but blame the international relations degree. They are mainly little flags anyway, not flags that I can hang up.
I've heard some very good things about Scandinavian cities, and open-faced sandwiches. So far I've been throughout Western and Central Europe and into Poland a bit (some people call it Central Europe, others called it Eastern. )
Sorry my geography nerd side came out 8)
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Re: Political Posts

Postby Acaila » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:29 pm

I'm feeling really smug about how much of a mess Theresa May is making of Brexit right now. Wish they'd hurry up and no confidence the government so the glorious reign of Jeremy the Kind can commence already.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby CC21106 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:01 pm

What Prisoner said. ARGH, it's true. I'm using Resist-Bot to fax and write to my congresspeople not that it's going to do any good. Texas is backward. Resist-Bot, what it is: you text in your name, address, and so on, and a message, and it sends it via fax or mail. Not a bot in the usual (spammy) sense.

Freedomlover: I saw at a college in Wyoming a long concourse hung with the flags of every country that at least one student had come from and it looked like the UN. In Wyoming. SMH.

What's Theresa May doing, Acaila?
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Re: Political Posts

Postby Prisoner 24653 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:01 am

Well, hey! Alabama managed to elect their first Democratic candidate to the Senate in over 20 years, largely because his Republican opponent was alleged to have molested underage girls (and that’s putting aside his pretty clear and obvious racism and homophobia). So aye, cheers for Alabama voters, though I’m rather troubled that it was even close.

And that vote by Congress that I talked about in my last post was actually pretty unprecedented. Republicans like to claim that Democrats did the same thing with their healthcare law, but the finished version of that was negotiated by both parties and was available for everyone to read weeks before the vote took place.

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Re: Political Posts

Postby CC21106 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:41 pm

Prisoner 24653 wrote:Well, hey! Alabama managed to elect their first Democratic candidate to the Senate in over 20 years . . .

WOO-HOO! Now let's hope there isn't some kind of a backlash.

What he said about the sanctity of the family being greatest during the time of slavery was more than absurd, it was abominable. Whether or not (and they didn't) white families stayed together more than at other eras, black families were ripped apart as a matter of course. My mom has read a bunch of antebellum wills recently. I recall one in which the decedent willed a child to one of his own (grown) children. Away from her family, who were willed to other heirs.

And the homophobia I won't get started on.
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Re: Political Posts

Postby Acaila » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:33 am

Delighted (pleasantly surprised) by the Alabama result!
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Re: Political Posts

Postby CC21106 » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:15 am

Acaila wrote:Delighted (pleasantly surprised) by the Alabama result!
Gives us Southern liberals hope. All six of us.
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