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by EstelleLaChatte
Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:01 am
Forum: Victor Hugo's works
Topic: Quatrevingt-treize
Replies: 54
Views: 10529

Re: Quatrevingt-treize

No, I see what you're saying. But the circumstances have to be right for a full-scale revolution to happen. Which is to say, when enough people all realize that things have come to a point where something must be done, a seemingly small event can trigger a revolution. But, ironically, it's more ofte...
by EstelleLaChatte
Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:25 pm
Forum: Victor Hugo's works
Topic: Quatrevingt-treize
Replies: 54
Views: 10529

Re: Quatrevingt-treize

Also, who gets to decide whether or not there is an alternative? Obviously all revolutionaries believe that there is not a preferable alternative, or they would have done that. And the alternative - to whom is it preferable? For whom is the 'alternative' working? All your questions are excellent on...
by EstelleLaChatte
Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:16 pm
Forum: Victor Hugo's works
Topic: Quatrevingt-treize
Replies: 54
Views: 10529

Re: Quatrevingt-treize

I never said one should turn a blind eye to political violence. There is, however, something reactionary in refusing to see that revolutionary violence does not exist in a vacuum, but is most often a response to counterrevolutionary violence. I maintain that violence in self-defense may be justified...
by EstelleLaChatte
Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:27 pm
Forum: Victor Hugo's works
Topic: Quatrevingt-treize
Replies: 54
Views: 10529

Re: Quatrevingt-treize

As a Jacobine myself, I find your view of the period more than a little reductionist - a point I will return to, if you wish, when I have more time to address it. More than that, however, I must say that I find it a bit odd that you can so admire the 19th century revolutionaries who shared many idea...
by EstelleLaChatte
Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:17 pm
Forum: Victor Hugo's works
Topic: Quatrevingt-treize
Replies: 54
Views: 10529

Re: Quatrevingt-treize

Historical events are mythologized, but I want to contribute to that as little as possible in favor of a deeper understanding of history. Hence, while I'm not going to die that a certain mythology exists around the Spartans, when I refer to just "Sparta" and not "the myth surrounding ...
by EstelleLaChatte
Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:59 pm
Forum: Victor Hugo's works
Topic: Quatrevingt-treize
Replies: 54
Views: 10529

Re: Quatrevingt-treize

I very much dislike using real historical events as mere symbols. It just sets you up for all kinds of misunderstandings. (You might argue that Hugo himself was doing this in Quatrevingt-Treize, but a) The historical characters are symbols, but they are also people and it's clear that Hugo did some ...
by EstelleLaChatte
Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:51 am
Forum: Victor Hugo's works
Topic: Quatrevingt-treize
Replies: 54
Views: 10529

Re: Quatrevingt-treize

I leave out the other consequences you mention because the royalist insurrections would (and, historically, did - along with the republican forces, sad to say) continue to slaughter innocents without Lantenac. With Lantenac, they might be a more serious threat to the Republic. But, of course, you're...
by EstelleLaChatte
Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:08 am
Forum: Victor Hugo's works
Topic: Quatrevingt-treize
Replies: 54
Views: 10529

Re: Quatrevingt-treize

EstelleLaChatte wrote: What I was arguing against is the rather simplistic reading of Gauvain as Everything-that's-good-in-the-Republic incarnate and Cimourdain Everything-that's-wrong-with-the-Republic incarnate. When did I say something like that? You didn't. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, but I wa...
by EstelleLaChatte
Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:24 pm
Forum: Victor Hugo's works
Topic: Quatrevingt-treize
Replies: 54
Views: 10529

Re: Quatrevingt-treize

First of all, I agree that Gauvain is not stupid and from the way he constructs his arguments, one can understand his decision, even if it is not the one any given reader (myself included) might have made in those circumstances. What I was arguing against is the rather simplistic reading of Gauvain ...
by EstelleLaChatte
Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:10 pm
Forum: Victor Hugo's works
Topic: Quatrevingt-treize
Replies: 54
Views: 10529

I only have about fifty pages so far, so it might be several years before the process is through, but that's the idea! Hm, I don't know about that. She might have understood it that way, but if you're talking about the passage opposing Cimourdain's "république de l'absolu" and Gauvain's &q...
by EstelleLaChatte
Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:48 am
Forum: Victor Hugo's works
Topic: Quatrevingt-treize
Replies: 54
Views: 10529

*back from the dead, briefly* Just popping in to say: 1. So glad I'm not the only one who thinks Gauvain's decision at the end, while it may have been farsighted in terms of the grand scheme of history, was incredibly shortsighted in terms of its immediate consequences. Just because he's more likeab...
by EstelleLaChatte
Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:21 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Brace yourselves for a dumb question about Rousseau
Replies: 5
Views: 872

I really don't think it's just Rousseau; most of the texts I've read from the Revolutionary period - that is, even a generation later - still use the "oi". (Which leads to questions of pronunciation when it comes to things like the rhyming of lois and Marseillois in one of the verses of th...
by EstelleLaChatte
Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:22 am
Forum: The Brick
Topic: Hugo and chastity
Replies: 30
Views: 3021

I didn't really mean her in particular, but the way people ate in general. But if you want to make this specific to Cosette, it holds even more: she *was* malnourished during her formative years. That can make a big difference.
by EstelleLaChatte
Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:49 pm
Forum: The Brick
Topic: Hugo and chastity
Replies: 30
Views: 3021

But Cosette was about 14 when they left the convent. She should've had "that" in this age. Most girls have it at age 11-12... Actually, not in the 19th century. 14-15 would indeed have more been more common, for much the same reasons people were shorter on average at the time: general mal...
by EstelleLaChatte
Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:59 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Favorite opera?
Replies: 30
Views: 2428

*comes briefly out of hiding* I'm between Massenet's Werther , Mozart's Le nozze di Figaro , Méhul's Stratonice , Gluck's Armide , Monteverdi's L'incoronazione di Poppea , Rameau's Les Indes galantes , and Grétry's Le caravane de Caire . :lol: ...Oh, and Gossec's Le Triomphe de la République , thoug...

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